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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:12 -0500, John H. wrote:


VICTORY IN IRAQ DEFINED
Redefined is more like it. What ever happened to democracy
breaking out
all over the middle east? Quite similar to the WMD mutating
to the WMD
programs, don't you think? So John, when is this
administration going to
stop the BS, and try a little honesty?
It's not defined at all. It's nothing but paragraphs that can
be interpreted any way the misAdministration pleases.
"Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure,
well integrated into the international community, and a full
partner in the global war on terrorism."
Wiggle words, especially the way the Bush misAdministration
lies.

What does the Administration mean, precisely, by:

peaceful

Does that mean no insurgent attacks? Only 10 a day? What?

united

Now that's an interesting word, since many believe Iraq is going
to divide into two or three nation-states.

stable

Not in anyone's lifetime

secure

What does that mean?

well-integrated

Another wiggle word.

Sorry. Too much room in these phrases for Presidummy Bush to
lie as usual about Iraq.



The key phrase is "full partner in the global war on
terrorism". In other words, Iraq allows us to establish
permanent bases in Iraq from which we can launch attacks
against terrorist factions in the region.
The Iraqis want us out of their country.
You asked them?


They've been asked, more than once. Get your nose out of Faux and
NewsMax.
"Since 1998, Al Qaida has repeatedly cited Vietnam, Beirut, and
Somalia, as examples to encourage more attacks against America and
our interests overseas."



Bush didn't just make this up. From bin Laden's 1996 Declaration
of War on the United States:

"But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after
vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold
war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands
of international force, including twenty eight thousands American
solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were
killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the
streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment,
humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in
front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but
these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have
been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your
impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for
the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of
believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities
of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu."


Your second bite of the apple has nothing to do with the fact that
Iraqis have told us they want us out of their country.

Terrorists...espouse the extreme goals of Osama Bin Laden - chaos in
Iraq which will allow them to establish a base for toppling Iraq's
neighbors and launching attacks outside the region and against the
U.S. homeland.



Do you not agree with that assessment?

I can site examples from bin Laden's 1996 Fatwa once again if you'd
like.

We're obviously not discussing the same issue. Iraqis have been
surveyed by several different organizations, and their opinion is,
they want us out.
Americans have been surveyed too. And almost half think we should cut
and run. That doesn't make them right.

We were the victors in Iraq, so we get set the timetable for our
withdrawal.
That's crap, but you are welcome to believe it.
I really think you should go over there, and bring your wife and kids.
I'm sure our soldiers there could use some first-class non-military
dental care.


There's a reason why soldiers need to be 18 years old, and have gone
through boot camp before going over there. You think my 2 1/2, 4, or 6
year old is as capable in defending himself as an 18 to 24 year old?


If we were the victors in Iraq, why should that concern you?

The North was the victor over the South in our Civil War, but how long did
it take before it was safe for a black man to venture into some areas of the
deep South?