"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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It's not a matter of agreeing with him. The question is: do you believe
he is telling the truth?

He stated certain *facts* about Iraq, that are in direct contrast to
what the news media would have us believe. Is he lying or is the news
media lying?

Two separate questions for you. Sit down.

1) Is it possible that a new school could be successfully completed,
opened and populated in one part of Iraq, while in another location,
things are a total ****ing mess and have only gotten worse?

Yes. The first school is in the Shiite regions. The second is in the
Sunni regions. It's no different than red counties vs. blue counties
right in here in the good ol' U.S of A. The blue counties are analogous
to the Sunni regions.

Good! So, we've agreed that there are places which are not so happy and
shiny and peaceful.

Then ask yourself this:
Why does the media ignore the places that Lieberman talked about, and only
report about the "other" places?





2) Is it possible that a senator might not be willing or able to tour
the second location, where even our own servicemen enter at extreme risk
to themselves, in armored vehicles which are not immune to roadside
bombs?

Just like most politicians avoid visiting inner-city project housing for
fear of their own safety.

Good! That means Lieberman didn't see everything, or speak to people who
had stories which contradict the rosy picture. For instance, people whose
male family members had been taken away and killed in the middle of the
night, by the Iraqi police.

On NBC news last night, a general (in a uniform, in front of a microphone,
in Iraq) commented that out of 8 or 10 divisions of Iraqi soldiers, only 1
(as in ONE) division was ready to be self-sufficient. The rest were useful
only as backup for our own troops. One of your president's measures of
success (per his own blather last spring) was how well the Iraqi army was
doing in its training.

Perhaps someone else here can answer this question: Here in America, if
you enter Army boot camp on January 1, what is the shortest period of time
that must pass before the Army would consider you ready to be sent into
battle?

You can train riflemen to be ready to fight in well under 6 months. But how
long does it take for commanders to work their way up the ranks in the US
military? The Iraqis don't have experienced leadership, which is why their
divisions are not self-sufficient.