"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Why would I own a boat like a Nordic 30?

You wouldn't. Only someone who actually *sails* would own a Nordic 30.


Nonsense. Slow boats like the Nordic are not popular in our light air
areas. It's also a dead duck to sail without a fresh breeze. Many
prefer a boat with a better turn of speed, rather than a slow moving
full keeler.

Jeeze, Bubbles, do I have to put a smiley face behind every response I make
to your insipid posts? :-)


You bet. And Chantiers Beneteau paid dearly in advertising for
that.


More nonsense. The Paris boat show is a real show and not a joke like
the American shows. Other winners had been Swan, Baltic, Shannon. Post
proof that builders paid for their wins or go sit in a corner.

WHAT??? Money Magazine is edited by idiots, IYO, but the Paris boat show is
organized only by the most brilliant sages in their respective fields?
Haven't you found it interesting that when Cruising World or Sail Magazine
pick a BOTY, that company does *not* advertise in that issue, but runs
extensive ads in each issue afterward? Or that no boat is ever picked two
years in a row? Is the implication that some other boat must eclipse last
years winner every single time? Oh wait, I'm sure the boating press is
edited by little more than dullards who know far less than yourself about
boats and boating, right?

Correct. It's vinyl over MDF.

Please prove that you have a clue. Show us a link that the 35s5 French
built imported interior is vinyl. The teak option is veneer over
honeycomb and some solid peices used in the galley and nav cabinets.
Later Beneteau's, with interiors built in the USA were as crappy as any
car built here...sadly.

Hold a cigarette against that "teak" and see how it melts. (You'd better
get that hook out of your mouth soon, Bubbles, or that wound is gonna
fester.)

Uh huh. Especially if you enjoy puking your guts overboard while
your
bleach bottle boat unglues itself around you.

And yet plenty of Beneteau's make ocean crossings along with far lesser
vessels. Funny how everyone here likes to chant that long voyages can
be made by any boat with a skilled sailor at the helm. Desperate to
join the bandwagon, the Beneteau will suddenly fly apart and do so on a
ocean crossing we didn't buy her for anyway!

The thought of you doing offshore work is absolutely ludicrous, Bubbles.

Funny how elderly types like Bubbles love to call others elderly.

Hmmm. I just turned 43. I run my laps 4 days on and lift 3. Most of the
people here are older than me, much older and ALL are in worse shape.

Care to join me in a half-marathon? I'm old enough to be your . . . older
brother. (Here it comes, folks--Bubbles' claim that he runs the NY Marathon
annually, and wins. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.)

Powerboaters just love it when sailors talk about "fast."

They do? You must know a specific group of powerboaters who worry about
sailors sailing fast.

Worry? Hardly. They laugh so hard they spurt beer out their noses. Hell,
Bubbles, you should know--you now own a boat built by a company far more
interested in making fast trawlers and express cruisers than sailboats these
days. Maybe they'll give you a great deal on a trade. Then you can really
go fast.


It's a boat that can actually get to China, unlike . . .

Just in case someone who isn't educated is reading Maxipad's silly
comments, even a Catalina 25 can sail to China and do so without a
problem.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU can take a Catalina 25 to
China if you so desire, Bubbles. Leave me one of your myriad high-end
digital cameras in your will, would ya please.

People who suggest that the boat is the ultimate measure of
ability for a voyage are reading too many Island Packet ads. A Nordic
30 MIGHT be more comfortable due to her motion in bad seas, but in
every other area the 35s5 would do better. Even Doug posted as much.

Okay, Bubbles, put your hackles down and remove that hook from your mouth
before your gills dry up. I've told you before I like Beneteaus, and yes,
they are capable of making offshore passages. Would I choose one for a
transoceanic passage? No. Would I choose a Nordic 30? No. Would I take
my current boat? Doubtful. Would I buy a Beneteau as a coastal cruiser?
Maybe, but probably not because my boat fits my needs perfectly.

My comfort and well-being are too important for the right to claim that I
took a coastal boat across an ocean. There is a book by a man who, with his
wife, did some passage work in the Pacific with a Pacific Seacraft Flicka.
They both got so pounded and beat up that she refused to sail back to the
mainland with him. He did it alone and nearly killed himself. Was his boat
ever in jeopardy? Probably not. But it was anything but a positive
experience. I believe they sold the boat and became land lubbers. In a
technical sense nearly any old POS boat can cross oceans; it's the crew and
skipper that suffer the hardships and pain in doing so. I'd choose an Amel
Super Maru or perhaps one of Steve and Linda Dashew's boats for offshore
work. And while I wait comfortably at anchor in, say, French Polynesia
waiting for you and your beleagured family to arrive a week or so later,
beaten and bruised and disheartened in your Beneteau 35s5, I'll make some
inquiries with the local brokers as to how much and how quickly you can sell
your wonderful, fast, sleek yacht with the great interior and the swim
platform, and get three airline tickets home.

Or, you can daysail on Long Island Sound for the rest of your life. Your
choice.


And the door slams on Maxipad's fingers!

My fingers are fine, but your mouth is gonna hurt like hell.

Max