"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jim Cate wrote:

If their rigging is inadequate, then obviously the boats would be
falling apart whenever they are taken out in any significant weather.
With 40,000 of them out there, hundreds of the the boats would be lost
or torn apart every year, and Mac owners and guests would be drowned or
stranded every year. Yet that doesn't happen except in very rare
instances.

Yup. You got it. They fall apart in the SF bay. Even the dealer
recommends people not sail them here without extensive work.


Really John? How many of them have "fallen apart" in the SF bay? 200?
100? And what, exactly is the "extensive work" the dealer recommends?
Once again, you spout off those generalities with only a single ancedote
to back it up. On the Mac discussion groups, there are many reports of Macs
being sailed on the SF Bay and up and down the California coast.
Where's your evidence that the Mac rigging is failing or coming apart,
Johnny? What statistics do you have on the number of Macson on which
the rigging failed?

Really Jim. Thousands, hundreds, a dozen, a few, one? Who cares? You!! You
own one. I've seen the rigging fail on the bay. Sorry... I know that's bad
news. I've seen them up close. The rigging is inadequate for the conditions
on the bay. I think you need to find whatever stats you think you like.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

See previous. -
I did.

Look again.

And, I saw a Mac last year that could not sail in
Raccoon Straight. We circled them and ask if they needed help, they
said, no, and dropped the sail and started the engine. Made straight
for Tiberon. Gee, and it was only blowing about 22 kts.

Johnny, this is a good example of your lack of any understanding of even
the most basic principles of logic and statistics. - You seem to think
that (your version of) a single instance proves that the Macs aren't safe
for coastal cruising, etc. You also don't know the particular
circumstances of that little episode. - At a minimum, you need a basic
course in logic.

Well, I guess when you see an inadequate rig on a boat, with people on it
who look like they might need help, who have a huge engine and rely on it
instead of their sails, and can't handle the normal wind conditions, I guess
that's just one little episode that I don't understand. I've never seen a
Mac off the California coast.. thank GOD. I would probably call the CG
immediately if I did see one, as they would be in danger for sure.

Already did.

Sure you did. - By citing one example.

Well, how many do you think is required... 100?? Name a number, then do your
own research. Please get back to us asap!!

No problem backing up your statements? - Then have at it.

Done did it.

Nope. All you did was to provide further examples of your own ignorance.

Well, you must be right. You own an off-shore capable yacht built to the
highest standards. A vessel capable of any conditions thown at it! You sure
don't need to spend any time defending her or you. You have all your wants
and needs taken care of, and regularly cruise where others fear to tread!

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