On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:44:22 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:20:48 -0800, jps wrote:

In article , PocoLoco415
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On 11 Nov 2005 15:23:35 -0800, wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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What an idiot!!!! Christians ruled by fear LONG before there were
liberals!!! You right wing lunatics adopted any and all of their ideals.
All Abrahamic religions include the hairy thunderer who would smote
folks for any number of reasons.
There are consequences.

While I don't believe Jesus was the first true liberal, he certainly was
a raging liberal.
He wasn't a raging liberal. If he was then he have been giving out fish
instead of teaching people to fish to feed themselves.
Gotcha!

Matthew, Chapter 14

14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This
is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away,
that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to
eat.

14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two
fishes.

14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took
the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he
blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to [his] disciples, and the
disciples to the multitude.

14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the
fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside
women and children.

14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a
ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the
multitudes away.


Do the conservatives have a special version of the story? One where the
disciples come to Jesus saying "the people are hungry" and he replies,
"Go then, and teach them how to fish!"? :-)

Looks like he not only "handed out fish", but the bread course as well.
:-)
You missed the point: He didn't take up a collection from the disciples to pay
for the fish!
That's the point you want to make, post facto.

The point was Jesus wasn't the one to who came up with "teach a man to
fish."

Sorta like Bush wanting to change his story every time the previous on
didn't quite pan out.

Jesus was into sharing. I'm sure he would have been into the rich
taking care of the poor and having it happen voluntarily. However, I'm
sure if he didn't see it happening voluntarily, he would not have simply
turned his back on the poor. He would have found some reason the rich
would see reason in redistributing wealth.

"easier for a camel..."

jps

Key word - voluntarily. *If* you attended almost any church, you'd see just how
much is *voluntarily* given to the poor.



A lot of money is given voluntarily to churches, but that doesn't mean
it is going to the poor.

You, of course, track the budgets and expenditures of all churches. I should
have known.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes