"Len" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:39:35 -0500, John H.
wrote:

What's the Netherlands doing about the problems they're having with
Muslims,
Len? My friend in Stolwyjk seems to think there *is* a developing problem
over
there, and that taxes can be raised only so far to keep giving money to
folks
who aren't earning it.

Locally:

1) The problem in our country comes from a very small minority of
muslim-youngsters that later on are being influenced by foreign
jihadist-recruters.

Agreed, and we are taught in school here that the leaders of this jihadist
do NOT want the plight of their people improved, they want them poor and
demoralized so that they have a ready supply of recruits. Thus they bomb
schools and infrastructures. They also Encourage the people to not
integrate in the country they have immegrated to.

2) The vast majority are muslims that want a normal life. These people
don't live up to the "pure" islam taken literally. Seems everyone is
forgetting this large group.

Unfortunately they get painted with the broad brush of discrimination
because they are easily identified because of their religious practices with
the jihadists. The same problem happens here with blacks, because the crime
and disease rate for blacks is 5 times that of the others in this country
and they are easily identified because of their color. It's unfortunate and
the attitude of others is that they initially distrust until proven wrong.

3) These youngsters have trouble finding jobs cause economy is at a
baisse over here. So there are only few employers and these are able
to be picky.

Picky because you can choose a culturally known over an unknown employee.

This attitude is one of the causes. It is over here and it is in
France and in Germany and in.... The governments can't throw a switch
here. It's up to us, the society itself to give the boys and sometimes
girls a fair chance.

Also the right wing attitude of "all muslims are extremists" is to be
prevented/altered. In your eyes maybe a soft "therapy" but in the long
run an essential one.

It's the other way around or it's an impossible job. The muslems need to
prove that they are worthy of trust, not that we have to double think and
assume they are worthy of trust. They can do this by speaking out and
helping the police get these muslim extremists jailed. They won't unless
they have extreme courage as many are killed if they speak out.

Legislation is being adapted so the intention to use violence in the
future can be dealt with properly.

You already have laws as we did that deal with those issues. The problem is
that laws don't protect us from criminals they protect us from the law
abiding. Revisions of laws to allow the law abiding to protect us by
allowing them to invade the privacy of the criminals are needed.

I see where your friend is coming from. He shouldn't be afraid of a
tax-raise. Present government is increasing net income for the well to
do and also increases costs like healthcosts for the poor and elderly.
But spending taxpayers money to keep these people "working" is no
solution, never is imo. And this is not what is planned. It's the
expectability to get a real job that is to be improved. Ethnical
discrimination *is* a fact amongst employers. In a sense it may be
understandable but is causes immense trouble in the long run.


Internationally:

We're dependant of the world-leading nation: the US of A. and the way
it assesses the global situation, the wisdom and vision with which it
applies measures. We suffer more from ethnic troubles when the US
unintentionally feed the moral conviction of radical muslims by
occupying muslim countries for the wrong reasons.
The nuance between "lie" and "wrong intelligence" is of no importance
here.

Again, why do they care if Saddam was toppled, because he is Muslim.... the
religious leaders are whipping up resentment of non muslim countries. Many
of us thought that (nievely) there would be praise for a liberator of the
muslim people for a country that freed 20 million muslims from oppression.
This we projected would be the morally correct view. Morals have nothing to
do with a religious war by Muslim leaders on non muslim countries.


When the legitimation is altered from WMD to moral obligation to
remove a fierce dictator, then a success in helping the freed
population would be of great value. Why is there still no
infrastructure, no electricity in Bagdad after such a period of time?

Because the terrorists AND muslim leaders do not want a successful pro west
Iraq.

But first people should accept the fact the Islam has many faces and
there are a few radical muslims inside or better: next to a large
group of kind, peace-seeking muslims. Just like there are
fundamentalist-christians who are consumed by their hate against (in
their eyes) non-christians who want to have a choice regarding fi
abortion, gay-marriage and euthanasia.

Change few to many but with the proviso that; All muslim leaders are pushing
for the expansion of the Muslim religion, some few by violence. All will
take advantage of propaganda to inflame hatred of the west and then when
violence breaks out preach against it to their people. This has been the
trend over centuries. Inflame to violence and then preach compassion and
peace, inflame again and then caution compassion and peace...all while
taking over country by country using violent revolution. Any who preach
against their goals is killed so that all fear and none speak out.

The problem for us is that it works....All we offer is a world view that
allows the comman man the best life possible. We offer the scientific
method not dogma. But the scientific method does not allow one to blame
someone else for ones fortunes or lack of them. Thus it's not a popular way
of thought with the lazy or ignorant (majority of humanity).


Regards, Len.