"DSK" wrote in message
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In terms of who deserves the most credit it is unmistakenly
Gorbatsjov. Why is it there is such a need to blow up the part Reagan
played? Don't you think any president with a smart advisor would have
done not exactly the same but would have added in the same amount?

No, Reagan was the drivinig force in tearing down the iron curtain.


And don't forget that he personally designed built & flew the first rocket
to the moon, right after he finished taming the west. And he proved
scientifically that trees cause air pollution!

You have no concept of leadership.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Actually, history was on both their sides. The borders were already
porous as a screened hatch in a submarine, the economies of the
various Baltic states were becoming more Westernized with a healthy
open black market fueled by some really good smugglers (a story of
whom has never been written but I wish would be), Poland and Hungary
had already become democratized - the forces of history.

They were in the right place in the right time for it all to come
crashing down. The fact that Reganites took credit for it is an
accident of that same history.

No doubt Reagan helped. But I thought it was funny that he is supposed to
have intimidated the Russians thru our superior submarine force... at that
time, the Russians had over 1,000 submarines alone, and President Reagan's
600 ship Navy was just a pipe dream.

90% of those Soviet subs were stuck in port with the sailors just moving
them around the docks and painting different numbers on them.

90% of the Soviet missle silos were so water logged none of the electronics
could be turned on due them frying themselves soon after.

The whole Soviet facade crumbled under the weight of the US economic power.