In article , Vito
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote
And people like Vito wonder why even their long term friends and allies
like us Aussies are starting to leave. ....

Faced with a frozen nut on your boat's motor, that you knew would come loose
with a bit to WD-40 in a few hours or days, would you instead reach for a
cutting torch? No? Well the US would not send anyone to Syria so he could be
tortured by their brutal ineffective methods either. I'm sorry you think
otherwise. Not that we are too moral but, having tried those methods at the
Salem Witch Trials, we know they don't work.

Except that you *have* done it and there's no reason to think you've
stopped doing it. Your personal refusal to believe it is irrelevant.

The Auzzi held at Gitmo is not being physically tortured. He was captured in
Afganistan by Afghans whilst fighting for al Qaeda and the Taliban, having
left his family in Oz unsupported and gone there to support a gang who
killed women for being literate and no, I do not pity him. Why do you? He
gve up his rights as an Australian when HE eagerly adopted the radical
Muslim system.

No, he didn't give up his rights as an Australian. In fact he's not
committed any crime under then existing Australian law. We have
freedom of religion in Australia so his being a Muslim is irrelevant to
what he does, legally. When did the USA outlaw Islam?

Now he has been tried under that system and given to us for
deprogramming in liu of execution. Would you rather he'd been beheaded?

If he was caught on the field of battle, shooting at people, out of
uniform, he could have been shot or summarily executed and I wouldn't
care at all. Once you bring him into the system, that's different. I've
come to the conclusion that you're never going to see this.

The fellow Capt. M. mentions apparently held dual Canadian/Syrian
citizenship, the latter by birth. I can only speculate why he was sent to
Syria vs Canada except that was where he was born. I sincerely doubt he was
sent there so Syria could torture information out of him for us if only
because we know that such info is unreliable. If we thot he knew something
he be at Gitmo.

You've got nowhere to go in that one Vito, except denial. It happened.
It was illegal. It isn't the only case. Nobody is safe transitting a US
airport if your Govt thinks they know something.

People like you are pushing people like me away. I'm a right wing gun
nut by Australian standards. What do you think the long term
consequences of this sort of bull**** is going to be? Next time you
guys want to run a little invasion I'll be lobbying against it rather
than for it, because I now think your political leadership is
deliberately lying, condoning torture, and violating the principles
that supposedly distinguish you guys from the likes of Saddam's Iraq.

We'll move closer to the Chinese, who are becoming a big trading
partner and no worse to trade with than you guys, while being far far
less hypocritical about their hold on power. It's not going to be our
loss because as a lower middle ranking power with huge energy, iron and
uranium resources, we'll always be able to find customers. We're really
the only First World country in the southern hemisphere.

You're rapidly losing the moral authority that gets allies to willingly
support you. After that you're left with naked power and threats. Soon
after that, things start really falling apart. It's amazing how
successful the Al Quaeda nutcases have been in trashing your
institutions by psychological leverage, getting your own people to do
their dirty work for them, while willing fools like you cheer on the
process. All achieved at the cost to them of a handful of deaths in the
aircraft back in 2001. So far it's cost you 2000 American lives in Iraq
and what - a billion dollars a day? While making enemies out of more
and more people. Way to go.......

You guys are idiots. Deal with it.

PDW