Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

K Smith wrote:



Bill Sc wrote:


As far as I know all outboards are "stood on end" (crankshaft needs to point
down). Seems like all the 4 strokes would need dry sump or a weird oil pan.

Not "quite" all :-) But yes agreed. However "if" & it's still an if, it
is based on that GM engine then there would be some things to be
addressed, not just moving the oil pickup & having the "sump" at the bottom.

K


Why don't you just list in standard English

Gotta love it an totally uneducated union spruiker yank asking for
standard English!!! what a hoot from the liar:-)


You want to compare writing skills? Go for it.



all of the "some things to

be addressed," and we'll ask Mercury.

Well the early hondas had a few problems with cam sealing, the top
wasn't getting enough & the bottom too much so seals didn't just fail
but at the top particularly cut into the shaft by being too dry.


That's Honda, maybe. You intimated there were "some things to be
addressed" with the Mercury engine. What are the problems with the new
Mercury engine.


No I didn't you liar, I was referring to taking a horizontal crankshaft
engine & turning it vertical, as indeed Honda has done with some of
their OBs. I didn't say nor intend to say that the GM engine (if it's
the one used) was a particular problem, but the issues remain for all of
them.


Already mentioned the loss of prime thing but that's probably OK now


Is that a problem with the new Mercury engine? The one no one in
Australia has seen?

Not that' I'm aware of & again so even you might understand, we don't
really know for sure yet if it is based on the GM engine, you're just
trying to make up lies that's all.



Some of the early 4 strokes tended to corrode out what is effectively
the sump. (hot salt water being blasted by exhaust seems the eat through
very quickly)


Yes, well, isn't that nice. But is that a problem with the new Mercury
engine? After all, Mercury does have some knowledge of corrosion
protection, eh?

Again I haven't said anything particular about Mercury I was commenting
on the fact that "if" it's based on the GM engine then that is good,
certainly better than a 2 stroke or worse a DFI 2 stroke.



In my case being a diesel the concerns were about oil getting past the
rings into the chamber, always a serious thing in diesels. They have oil
sprayers under the pistons so there's always plenty there.


That's nice. What does that have to do with the new Mercury four stroke
gasoline engine?

Nothing; you specifically asked me to detail the issues which can arise
when standing a horizontal design on it's end, having had some
experience on the subject, I did.



With the cyls to stern if a boat were very stern low trimmed at rest (as
many OB craft are let alone with well over 600lbs of diesel OB
attached:-)) then they were worried residual lube oil might get flowed
"down" into the chambers.


That's a terrible problem..,but how does it relate to the new Mercury
outboard?

Again I was giving an answer to your question, as for the Merc well it
is heavy & on say ski or light competition fishing boats they most
likely will sit stern low at rest. But fear not "if" it's the GM engine
GM will make sure all is tickety boo, before they put their name at risk.




Well as I said under the tutelage of GM they should be pretty right, but
as we all now know they were pretty hopeless when it came to Optimax &
gees louise that was the Aussies:-)



Mercury builds many high-output engines for the automakers.

You're a lying idiot of the first order.

Merc also
successfully marinizes GM engines.

,It's GM who build "marine" engines, with the heavy bottom ends, the
stainless head gaskets, the rust resistant welsh plugs, the marine cam
profiles & so on.

You didn't know that? I expect that
if this was a cross-pollinization effort between Merc and GM, both
companies learned from each other.

Probably some of that also but Merc really should have stuck to it's
knitting before it experimented with consumers' money in optimax. GM
could & would have supplied EPA compliant proper engines all along,
what's changed??? this option was always available, but they cost
thousands of people boating enjoyment with defective design engines in
optimax.



All this is predicated upon them using that particular GM block as the
base engine, given the weight etc it seems likely?? Anyone confirm??



That possibility was talked about more than a year ago, but I haven't
seen any confirmation. However, the straight-six engine Merc is using
for this outboard turns 6400 rpm, and if it is a GM-based product,

No that engine is a standard 6000rpm engine, that's how HP is made these
days, lots of revs & not too high chamber pressures, look at the Honda
sports; 118HP/ltr straight out of the box no super or turbo, no
"special" fuel injection, just good use of well experienced & proven
technology. GM is now doing the same although 275 from 4.2 ltrs is still
conservative.

that
certainly would make it an unusual one, since, as far as I know, GM
doesn't have a gas block engine in straight six format that turns
anywhere near that. So, if it were a block of GM origin, it would have
to be totally re-engineered, eh?

Again look it up yourself in GM powertrain the garden variety version
spins 6000 @ 275HP. Multi valve, multi cam & variable cam timing is only
useful if the engine can rev & take advantage of those things.


My summation: you know nothing about the new Merc outboard, nothing at
all,except we're being proven absolutely right, about the DFI Fichts &
optimaxes yet again. Don't you pity those poor *******s that have been
conned by those lying dealers into still buying Optimaxes?? I mean what
a rip off, when they are dropped outright imagine the boat values or
whats left of them.

but you want to appear in the know. Now, I expect, you'll spend
some hours searching out some crumbs of information, translate them into
your semi-literate non-standard English, and claim them as your own.

Nope haven't even bothered to try, if Merc wanted to crow about the
undisputed benefits of having a GM engine they would by now, so it looks
like either the new engine has nothing to do with the straight 6 GM
engine; still very possible given all the secrecy:-) OR

They're going to try & pretend it's all their own work, you know how it
goes?? special dealer only diagnostics?? special dealer oils?? special
dealer plugs?? yes, looks like the full dealer rip off is being set up
yet again. Would never do to tell people it's just a chevy, feed it oil
changes, filters & fuel & it'll be fine.

K


Here's your lie for the day;

You father assuming you even know who it was, didn't have a dealership
in anything much less a marine dealership & you have just made up this
BS. What a sad comentary for the real man.

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.