"DSK" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
OK, lets restate some things. With the ease that WMD can be built by
just about anyone a concerted effort to promote the growth of "FREE"
countries with a large middle class and a free press seems to be a good
idea. Sound familiar? What we are doing in Iraq!


Difficult to say, so far. There seems to be a pretty good chance of Iraq
becoming at least partially theocratic, and there will be a large
influential population of America-haters there... expected when we've
killed so many of them and trashed so much of the country. Is that a
positive step?

There is also potential for Iraq to become more like Turkey, a pro-Western
secular state.

And what of Iran? The closest thing they have to a pro-Western secular
oriented middle class recently suffered a big political setback, and the
rulers seem determined to built nukes.


There are many people and institutions that are against this. Most
notably for this discussion are Islamic radicals, Osama being one of the
notables.

Yep. So why haven't we caught him?


IF you look at history Islam, and to a lesser extent the Catholic church
have been promoters of top down societies.


To this point I 'm happy to note that you agree with the thrust of my
thoughts. Makes you seem more human (reasonable) grin

Islam far less so than Catholicism... for one big difference, there is no
Muslim equivalent of the Pope.

It's not how the religion is organized internally but it's teachings,
teaching prostration before God and the church, fear of God, subservience to
the church.

IF you look at all the rules that Islam has laid down for man you get the
impression they think man is an animal that can't control himself if he
"sees" a woman, or drinks alcohol. He can't even drive a car with a woman
in the front seat. What kind of society treats it's citizens that way, one
that believes the comman man can't rule himself.

And let's not leave out the fact that
numerous Protestant churches have jumped into the political/socio-econimic
scramble to put themselves on top. Let's also not forget that the Bush
Administration has been notable for policies that tend to shift income &
influence away from the lower & middle class.

DSK

Yes I've seen notes all over the place and tried to correct the lies in
these notes but haven't seen any policies implemented by Bush that aren't
good for the common man.