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Mr Wizzard wrote:
Coupla Q's:

What have muslims done to :
contrubute to the medical industry?
contribute to the Spaces Sciences ?
contribute to Environmental conservation?
contribute to agrricultural research ?
contribure to Internalional Food aid ?
contribute to Computer Science research ?
comtribute to religious tollerance ?
(i.e., can *I*, a white Amarican take
a vacation and visit Mecca?)

...'Nuff said.


Contributed to medical industry?

How about invented the concept of modern medicine in the first place?
An Arab medical text was *the* standard practice manual throughout
Europe and Asia for about 150 years and helped pull European doctors
out of the voo-doo heebie-jeebie blame it on evil-spirits dark ages.

Thats good. Thanks. See? - yer doing your part
in breaking down these stigma's flating around.





Contributed to Space Science?

How about invented the concept of modern astronomy? Invented advanced
math?

Who, when, and what exactally?


Contributed to Environmental conservation? Does a few thousand years of
working with nature to renew and cultivate the fields in the Nile Delta
count?

What year(s) ?


Contributed to Computer Science? Would the invention of our numbering
system, as well as algebra and (that's an Arab word,al-gebra) other
advanced math concepts count?

No, since algebra was around before the word "computer"
ever hit the airwaves. Abacus, yes, that was good. Look,
I admidt, I should have "qualified" my comments/questions
to an actual "time frame" - as in THIS centry. You know,
in the era that most know as "industrialization", ergo, AFTER
the discovery of middle Eastern oil. ...Seems that once oil
was discovered, the Arabs shut down all of their human
development, and shut out the rest of the world.


Contributed to religious tolerance? Remember, the terrorists represent
mainstream Islam only as much as the KKK represents mainstream
Christianity.

KKK was a rogue SMALL faction of white Amaricans,
and they wern't out to eliminate entire countries, and/or
religions. Nor was it a "State Sponsored" thing and taught
in schools. Militant Islam is a State sponsored thing.

Both cite holy writ as justification for attacking and
murdering folks who don't conform to the small group supposedly
anointed by their screwed up version of God.

Yer bing an appologist here again - might want to revisit that.



Mainstream Muslims regard Jews and Christians as "people of the Book,"
and believe that a devout Jew or a devout Christian can be admitted to
whatever sort of Paradisic Disneyland the Muslims imagine they will
inhabit after death. Muslims are taught, and the Quran demands, that
Jesus, Moses, and Abraham be honored and respected. The Quran calls
Jesus an anointed messenger from God. Sounds like a lot more "religious
tolerance" than you'll hear extended to Islam by many right wing
Americans these days.

In mainstream Islam, the term "infidel" is more exactly applied to
people who are not monotheists. Jews and Christians are only called
"infidels" by the most radical elements of Islam.

Google up "Jesus in the Quran". You might find it surprising.

Why were the Crusaders of the 10th and 11th Centuries called
"infidels"? Because many of them were. The Pope would call for a
crusade, and most of the land owners and rulers needed to at least give
lip service to Christianity to remain in power, but among the ranks of
footmen and other "grunts" there were a lot of folks still openly
following the Old Religion.

Yer being an appologist here again....
To prevent the discussion from getting
too muddled, and off the central point,
say you were right - thats even more to
my point! - We have EVOLVED to see
the light, why have the Arabs NOT?
Further, why do they refuse? Expecialy
when its now 2-oh-oh-FIVE for Gawd
sakes - its not like we're still in the dark ages.





Yes, there are exhortations to violence in the Quran.

Ah, so you see the problem, good, thats a start...


Just as there are
exhortations to violence, murder, and even genocide in the Holy Bible.

Oh yeah, here we go.. Of course.... more excuses.
This is all "appologistism" if I ever seen it.


(Check out the book of Joshua. If you say, "you have to take that it
context", I would ask "why we must take Joshua in context but then
insist on reading the Quran out of context?")

Yeah, yeah, so where are all the Christian homiside bombers?




Any white American can vacation in a Muslim country,

Can I go to Mecca, and Madeena? URL please ?



and many routinely
do. It's best not to act the fool while there,

Why not? Tollerant place "allow" this you know.


of course, and to
respect the tenents of the host culture just as one would when visiting
anywhere else. If one walks down the street drinking from an open beer
bottle, gooses the women walking by, and has a smut magazine rolled up
under one's arm there's going to be some serious trouble-

See, thats ****ed, That is why them places need Westernized.


but would
that be the fault of the Muslim society or the ignorance and arrogance
of the American visitor?

Thats the fault of THAT society - we tollerate THEIR
manorisms, and behaviours HERE, so wtf? We allow
them to prey 5 times a day, we allow them to bring
their prayer rugs to work (even encourage it), we allow
them to build mosques. and the like, so ca-mon dude,
be real here, will ya ?



"nuff said"? :-)