"DSK" wrote in message
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Let me put it this way... Did the N.Koreans unapologetically build atoms
bombs while Clinton was President?


NOYB wrote:
Yes.

No. Denying unpleasant facts won't change them.

... The difference was that they hid it the entire time, and the Clinton
administration took them on their word.

And verified thier actions (or lack of same) by careful intel work
including satellite scanning.



Hehehe. I suppose that same "careful intel work" led Clinton's military
chief of staff to testify in 1998 that N. Korea did not have an active
ballistic missile program...one week before they launched a Taepodong-1
missile over Japan and into the Pacific.




No. Did they do so while George Bush Jr was President? Yes.


They just continued doing what they were doing.

Really? Considering that they did not enrich any fuel (very difficult to
hide) while Clinton was President, then no, they absolutely did *not*
continue what they were doing.

They hid a ballistic missile system...so why not a nuclear rod enrichment
program?



They might have been working their way up to it, but there's a big big
difference between "working on the possibility of someday building a
nuclear weapon" which *might* have been what they were doing during
Clinton's tenure, and "building a nuclear weapon" which is what they are
doing now, or have already done.

Most sources show that the N. Koreans already had a nuke or two in the early
to mid 90's.



Big success for Bush Jr. Almost as big as Harken Energy.


... His intelligence agents met with al Zarqawi and Mohammed Atta.
That's all what you'd call "proof".

Actually, that meeting is now believed to have never taken place.


Believed by whom? You? Democrats?


By me, yes... on the word of the CIA and the State Dept.


Now, that was rather long, NOBBY, and I don't expect you to actually
grasp all of it. The key point is that the US ambassador told Saddam
personally that the US didn't have a problem with his invasion plans.



You're full of **** on this issue.

Actually, I'm not.

... The idea that the US would give tacit approval to the invasion of
Kuwait...and then send 600,000 troops to the region to toss them out less
than a year later flies against any and all logic.

Yes, it does, doesn't it? But then, logic really isn't the strong point of
either of the Presidents Bush.


... You'd have to be out on the farthest fringe of conspiracy nuts to
even consider such a scenario.

Why? Unfortunately, it really did happen. Actually, it wasn't a case of
giving tacit approval as of having no notion of what was about to
happen... a failure of intelligence (in both meanings of the word).


Yes. We were disgraced and withdrew...

Disgraced? Why?

Because our forces weren't given the chance to finish what they started.
Their CIC pulled them out too soon.



Defeated by superior forces when attempting to bring order for relief
efforts... a humanitarian mission gone extremely awry due to the sheer
murderous insanity on th epart of those we were trying to help... you
consider that a disgrace?

The premature withdrawal was a disgrace.


And you say you "support our troops?" Nice.

Our "troops" didn't make the decision to pull out.



... and consequently appeared impotent and weak to the Muslim world.

We've appeared impotent & weak, militarily, to most of the world since
Viet Nam. Appearances aren't everything, fortunately.

Nawww. I think the rest of the World stood up and took notice how quickly
and easily we destroyed the World's 4th largest army in 1991.




If the fundamentalist Muslim really thinks we're so weak, why don't they
attack us with military force against military force?


They meant "weak" in the sense that we don't have the guts to finish what we
start once the casualties start to mount.



Answer: they're psychopaths, not idiots. They know we are still far too
strong for them, that way.

In other words, you're wrong again.

... Did you see it happen another way?


Umm, yes. A rather bone headed decision to use insufficient force, with
really tragic results. One response would have been to cluster bomb
Mogadishu to maim everybody who participated in dragging our troops bodies
through the streets... and all their families... but it wouldn't have
brought those men back.

It would have sent a message that we wouldn't run and hide at the first
sight of American casualties.