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Me  wrote: 
 
 In article   .com, 
  "Skip Gundlach"  wrote: 
 
  As further background, we have full rails, with the gates combined 
  electrically with brass straps belowdecks, attached to the arch, the 
  pushpit and pulpit.  We have about 110 lineal feet of 1" SS tube rail, 
  unless you count the inner rails, plus the arch.  In addition we have 
  the standard 4" copper strapping leading to a sintered bronze Guest 
  plane below the boat, and also connected to a 3x5' plate under the 
  workbench top.  I think we have a reasonably good ground. 
 
 You will never know if you have a "reasonably good ground", unless 
 you get yourself an Impedance Bridge, and check it at the frequencies 
 that you commonly work.  Anything that is more than 12" away from the 
 water, isn't going to add "diddley-squat" toward building a Low Impedance 
 Wideband RF Ground System, and anyone who tells you otherwise, is just as 
 uneducated about MF/HF Marine Radio Antenna Systems, as you seem to be. 
 I have seen all kinds of Systems that looked very impresive, untill they 
 were evaluated with real insurmentation.  400 Sq Ft of Copper Screen in 
 the Cabin Overhead was proffered, as a really good RF Ground, by a well 
 known Boat Builder, 20 years ago.  It didn't work any better than 
 having nothing at all, when tested, in a real radio enviorment. If 
 you got a Plastic Hull, you are NEVER going to get a Real RF Ground, 
 UNLESS the hull builder was smart, (they never are) and put 200+ Sq 
 Ft of screen under the gellcoat down by the keel.  Cellulose hulls 
 are just as bad, and harder to retrofit that Plastic ones. 
 Like I said in my first reply, Autotuners were invented to allow any 
 "Dufus" to think he install an MF/HF Marine Radio System, and save 
 himself all that money he would have paid a Compitant Radioman. 
 SGC Autotuners are some of the worst of the lot, even if they did steal 
 the design from the real inventers.  SGC couldn't even copy the design 
 correctly, and "Old PeeAir" couldn't design his way out of a "Wet Paper 
 Bag". 
 
 Me 
 
Geeze Louise "Me" give the guy a break......  He was just asking for 
an opinion.... 
 
 
Bruce in alaska 
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