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"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 07:56:04 -0400, John H wrote:

On Sun, 08 May 2005 00:47:02 GMT, Red Cloud® wrote:

On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:44:10 -0400, John H wrote:

On Fri, 06 May 2005 23:05:06 GMT, Red Cloud® wrote:

I still don't think you are "getting it". A surveyor would have found
enough of
the defects in the hull to make the case for replacing the hull.

'Would have', 'should have'. You don't know that a surveyor would have
found all
the defects! He was a new boat buyer. He wasn't as 'experienced' as you
are. He
didn't know it all.

When I bought my first boat I didn't know it all either. I didn't get a
survey
done. Now, jump on my back for a while.

Holy ****, give the guy a break.

The "guy" has presented himself as someone who is impatient and always
looking
to find the cheap way out of every situation. The best break he can get
is
someone telling him he is doing it all wrong. No one would have found
ALL of
the defects, but a surveyor would have found enough of them to avoid this
whole
mess. Meanwhile, he is now saying that the manufacturer is taking the
boat to
"repair" it. They will not find and fix all the bad spots either, The
point is
that NO ONE can find ALL the bad spots in this hull because it is a total
cluster****. They can not make this hull right.

The guy doen't need a break from me. He needs to get focused and take
care of
this ****ed up situation. I'm doing my best to point that out to him. Ho
w are
you helping him?

rusty redcloud

Do you think that berating him for not having had a survey when he bought
a new
boat is *helping* him?

It will help others avoid the same mistake. Meanwhile he didn't get
berated
until he persisted in doing things that will make his problem worse rather
than
better. He needs to be shaken awake. Meanwhile, I ask again: How are YOU
helping
him? ...I thought so!

rusty redcloud

I think that at this point, the OP needs someone like Tony Soprano.