Capt. NealŪ wrote:
I use carriage returns. Check your news reader settings or drag out
your window...
From a quick scroll through the message source, this stood out as a long
line: is entiltled to post here. This talk of "outsiders" ruining "our
group" is so pathetic. 86 characters long.
You choose to remain ignorant of the facts? Does that not go
at least a little way toward invalidating your conclusions?
I've since found and read the thread concerned.
You need to pay attention more to what goes on here. Kill filing
or ignoring those you accuse of strong arm tactics is resulting
in you not making very informed decisions.
But that's the problem, Neal - the very employment of rent-a-mob tactics
creates so much noise, that useful nuggets that might bring clarity become
near impossible to find. It makes people avoid they very sources of what
might be useful or relevant information.
At the hands of KKKaty and Ganz to be more exact. They never stop
complaining.
It was five years of me posting things here that ****ed them off or
offended
their sensibilities. Tough ****!. They brag about filters yet they
hang on my every
word so they can complain about this and about that. They didn't like
what I had
to say. That was the only thing I gave them to complain about orI
would have been
TOSsed. Yes, their complaints were only effective at making more work
for my
providers.
I was under the impression that you had been TOS'd before.
Seems to me if somebody is spending time writing long posts which take
one side or another it would be to their advantage to read all the
posts here
so theywould not appear be whining about ignorance they brought upon
themselves You would not have to take my word had you read Gary
Burnore's
posts. Have you ever wondered just who that dude is? You might be
very
surprised. Believe me, the man is in a position to know of which he
speaks.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he's the/a sysadmin of a
particular NSP.
I believe Capt. Mooron answered your question far better than I could
in
his post elsewhere.
Indeed he has. I still hold the view that staying within one's TOS is the
way to be sure that one's account is safe. However, I'm am now sufficiently
convinced that what Ganz did was use what amounted to a loophole to coerce
Mooron's service provider into applying a gag. That in itself is bad enough.
To do it to someone who has no other choice for a decent connection sticks
to high heaven.
Did you read Haight's post where she admitted to turning both myself
and
Lady Pilot in for abuse?
Yes. Found it later last night and read through the sequence of posts. It
started roughly here...
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Hey Katysails,
**** YOU!!! You are one smarmy bitch and a skanky whore as well.
Go ahead. Try to get me kicked off individual net. I'm gone at the end
of the month anyway because I will NOT pay for their crummy service.
P.S. Ganz is your lover! He's not a fag after all - just a whoremonger.
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If this isn't a blindingly obvious troll, then I don't know what is. Posted
with less than a week to go before the account is killed off, she should
have just ignored it. Things progressed...
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Nice...since I don't post from individual and haven't for over a year, your
bogus impersonation is just that...a feeble attempt...
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She's correctly identified it as a troll. You then goaded her with...
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Feeble? So why are you fooled yet again?
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Instead of ignoring this, or employing some standard troll-response tactic,
like flaming your sorry ass, taking the ****, or getting subtle and engaging
in a counter-troll, she...
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I'm not...and both you and LP have been reported...
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....bit. Hook, line, and sinker. In fact, she swallowed the reel, the landing
net, the chum bucket, and damn near managed to fit the boat in as well.
(We've all seen Jaws, right? Gotta try and get some humour into this
somewhere...)
Tactical error 1: Netcopping.
Mitigation: You invited her to do it.
Corollary: Nobody likes a snitch.
Tactical error 2: Announcing it publicly.
Mitigation: None.
Corollary: Nobody likes a snitch who brags about it.
Announcing it publicly was a serious error, because...
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Look who's a netcop in alt.sailing.asa and has been bragging about getting
people booted off their ISP, news servers, and even trying to get their
web-based mail accounts pulled? She's so dumb, she even top posts!
LP (come on over guys & gals for free speech)
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Cross-posted to various flonker groups at 04:41 my time. At 04:46, the noise
maker posts started. In spite of what she subsequently said to me, LP *did*
press the button that brought them in here. From the response time, however,
it would be fair to say that at least some of them were waiting in the
wings.
From the perspective of this ordinary user, there really is no
telling - because all there is is claims.
If you read the posts here you would not be making such absurd
remarks. It's not all that hard to figure out who is who and what
they do if you pay attention. Some of the people posting here
are the very same people dealing with abuse complaints from
Ganz and Haight. If you cannot figure out who is who then
you're not worthy of my continued efforts to enlighten you.
It's a question credibility, Neal. Usenet abounds with trolls. In
alt.alien.visitors all those years ago, the guy who was being trolled, was
being trolled by several people, all working in concert - from some of their
comments, it would have been fair to say that they were in collusion behind
the scenes. It was an organised troll designed to get some idiot to write
countless posts, paying to get extracts of FOIA documents to support his
case, etc.
For the ordinary user, who's in here for the banter and ****takes, and
suddenly finds it near-impossible to keep up with the traffic, or find the
subject matter that he's into, it's a bit hard to take on board the claims
and comments of those who are making all the noise, especially when it's
near as dammit their *stated intention* to destroy the group with masses of
garbage unless certain demands are met. I'm not saying that the person who
actually held the requisite info was one of those making the noise, but it
gets very hard to hear the gentle tinkle of a triangle, or work out who's
playing it, when there's a rock band going full-tilt in your face.
Someone was posting crucial information? Which part of the burning haystack
was that in?
You call what you're doing right now ignoring it? Coulda fooled me. .
I ignored your feud with Katy, I haven't ignored the ruckus that's been
brought into the group as a result of it. People are leaving, Neal. They're
leaving because there's just too much damn noise.
Another wise man once said
that messages beget messages - but they have to be messages that
people want to read and reply to.
Now you're imposing more of your own rules on the newsgroup.
Och! I'm describing what it is that makes the regular posters post. I know
what 'unmoderated' means.
I'm not saying your point is invalid, although I would submit that I
have a different approach to netcops - I don't take the same risks
that some do. But I do object to the tactics you're using make your
point.
Fair enough because I now realize you, at least, will not resort to
netKKKopping
when you cannot get your way. And, it's good to see you came out
against
netKKKops.
Thanks for acknowledging these.
--
Wally
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