riverman wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:
Well, Tom. It seems like you better stir up a stronger
incantation....this whole Satan thing is starting to get a bit
out of
control. Hard to imagine that you have no role in it beyond being
the
protector of the unwashed.

By the way, what's your take on the Pope dying....good or evil?
And
do
I get to blame the Father of Lies for making my girlfriend miss
her
flight this morning? I'm undecided if thats good news or bad
news. If
its good for me, and bad for her, then who gets the credit or
blame?

And to absolve myself of being somehow responsible for all this
by
not
putting a stop to it; "Get thee behind me, Ron_666!"

--riverman

"Don't worry my little children, I have overcome the world!" Jesus
said
this to encourage his people when things are not going exactly how
they
thought it should be going. He is always in control, and there is
nothing that He can not do. He already has the Victory over Satan,
and
there is nothing else needed than the Testimony of Jesus, and the
Blood
of the Lamb. I have no doubt that you are correct when you say that
I
had a role in this current situation. The enemy seeks to attack
those
who are a threat to his activity. Those who believe in Jesus will
suffer persecution for their faith.

As far as the Pope dying, people get sick and old and die. I know
that
each persons death grieves God. I think it amazing that He could be
standing in line at the pearly gates next to Terri S. May be we
will
finally meet up there someday, and I can get you that cup of
coffee!

As far as your girl friend missing her flight, that would depend on
whether she was coming to see you or not, and whether that was good
or
bad or not. Now if she missed her flight because of something you
did,
you could be in the dog house. OTH, if she really wanted to be with
you
and not leave, and now she can stay longer because of something you
did, well that could be good. However since you are spending time
with
us here on the RBP, and not with her, I have to assume that she
missed
her flight coming to see you, and so now you are alone, which would
explain your ****y attitude, which I can completely understand. But
then you said that it was good for you and bad for her, which could
mean you have someone else on the side, and I won't go there, but
you
can always blame us here on the RBP, and claim it was our fault all
along.

As to absolving yourself, you did not start this, you cannot stop
it,
it is not your resposibility, it is not necessarily your Battle,
just
don't play on the Battlefield, or aid the enemy and you should be
OK.
IMHO TnT

Well, my point about the Pope was that some Fundamentalists consider
him to be outside the true body of Christ, therefore not truly one of
the saved. Somewhat presumptuous, seeing as the Catholic church is
the
largest body of christians in the world. Similarly, there's no chance
that you and I will share a cup of coffee in Heaven, both because it
does't exist, and because I'm not saved and have no intention to
become saved. And unfortunately for you, I should tell you that if
your irritating style of ministry is representative of what it takes
to be a Christian, I want no part of it, now or ever. Nice job.

Well my point in answering the way I did about the Pope, was that I was
not interested in getting drawn by a troll into a dispute with you
about whether the Pope is a Christian or not, especially at this time
of his passing, nor do I have any personal knowledge of him to make any
statement regarding his faith. Nor do I know anything about Terri S. I
do know that the scriptures say, "It is appointed unto all men to die,
and then the judgement!" In that the Pope died, I understand that he is
now subject to the judgement as any other man, or as Teri S. We will
all give account whether you believe in heaven or God or not. You may
think that you can escape by maintaining your independence from God,
and I may irritate you with my insistance to the contrary, but you can
explain all of this to Him at the time of judgement, I am sure He will
consider your protest, and He will do what is correct. Whether we ever
share that cup of coffee, is yet to be seen! It is indeed unfortunate
if you would allow me to stand between you and God! There are many
other models of Christianity that you may emmulate, and I am sure there
are many much more to your liking, it remains that noone will have an
excuse for having rejected Christ and the offer of Sins forgiven by His
shed Blood, on that day of Judgement!


Last I heard, Teri S wasn't saved either, so your inconsistency in
who
to endorse and who to deem a messenger from Satan is curious. It
seems
to be based more on whim or politically-supported emotion than
unambiguous interpretation of scripture.

My interpretation of who is deemed as a messenger from Satan, is not
based on an interpretation of Scripture per sec, but the Scriptures
say, "By their Fruits you shall know them." If you speak of God, and
His Love for us, and His Grace shown to us in that Jesus shed His Blood
for the Forgiveness of Sins, and the Life that we now live, we Live by
Faith in the Son of God, then that testimony would be a good start on
identifying an individual as a messenger of God. On the contrary, if a
person says they do not believe, and will never believe, then they
identify themselves as, if not a messenger of Satan, certainly a
servant of Satan. That you came into the current conversation, and
could not take a stand for righteousness against the unfruitful works
of the enemy, you identify yourself. I had little to do with it, except
to force you to identify yourself!

You got the girlfriend thing all wrong, too, but I won't bother with
details. Its quite assumptive and insulting of you to drop a
suggestion that I cheat on her, and I would expect an apology from
anyone reasonable. But my '****y attitude' is because of what I said
above...I find your style of ministry and subtle way of telling
people
what to do immensely irritating. Of course, like Scott would
say...there's no law against it, but then again, there's no law
against people finding your personal imaginary battle and doublespeak
a real PITA, either, and responding accordingly.

I was sure that I would get it wrong, since I did not know all the
details, and was only attempting to interpret the limited info that I
had. My mistake, to respond to an apparent troll. I tried to consider
the different possible scenarios, in a light hearted fashion. Even my
suggestion that there was someone else, was not to suggest that you
were cheating, in that you did not say that she was more than a
girlfriend. Before I met my wife, I had many friends, many of them girl
friends, and all at the same time. When we got engaged, the game
changed, and there was no time for other friends the way it had been
before. But you never suggested that she was more than a girl friend,
so I saw no aspect of you cheating on her as being an issue. That you
missed her was good if it is a good relationship, that is destined for
more. That there could be someone else, even us on the RBP could be
indicated, and there is nothing cheating in our relationship with you,
just that we would be taking your time and attention, and I suggested
that you could blame it on us to her if you needed. So lighten up
yourself, I was just having some fun at your expense!


We've both given a good effort to try to bring the other around, but
you take a perverse pride in your stubbornness, and at this point I
find that I'd rather killfile you than feel so ****y about you being
around. I like to participate constructively to this, and other
newgroups, and I'd rather get back to my contributory, atheist
personna than hopelessy debate netiquette with you. I'll probably
still see some of your posts, but I'll try my best to avoid any
direct
conversation, as it only reminds me of how sanctimonious you are. So
you can have any last word you want to me, Tom. I can't deal with you
any more.

Bye now.

--riverman

And I appreciate your on topic constructive participation. It is only
when you go Off topic and attempt to correct my theology, that we
primarily run aground. Stay in the main current, and I am sure we will
not hear the grinding sound. Other off topic expeditions by you will be
subject to the House Rules, ie no rules particularly it seems! You
initiated this particular little mini-thread when you ask me questions
the other day, and I will always try to answer as best I can. If you
don't like my answer, or find me irritating, I would strongly recommend
that you don't ask me the questions in the first place, and/or
definitely feel free to filter the group so that it is not necessary to
be irritated, at least by my sanctimoniouness. I am sure there are
plenty of other things that could irritate you without listening to me.

So though you may kill file me I will continue to look forward to
hearing from you, and even this little tiff shall pass! Respectfully,
TnT