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in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/31/05 11:07 PM:

That I believe in my God, should give
you pause that my promotion is not fake

Not in the least.

and worth serious
consideration since the potential alternative is eternal
loss!
TnT

Wrong again.

Your choice to be blind is your choice, and is a reflection of
my
being
wrong, only in your eyes.

Oops. Faulty logic.

Not in the least, you make choices independent of me, even before
you
knew me, you had made your choices. So whether I am right or wrong
is
not a factor in your choice. That I appear wrong to you is a
function
of the choices you have already made and how those choices affect
the
vision of your eyes, and not necessarily how I am.

Whoops, maybe you should pay attention before you flap off. At least
wait
for the explanation before pretending to listen.

You said "That I believe in my God, should give you pause that my
promotion
is not fake"

This does not follow.

If you believe in God, or that pigs fly, or that the core of the
earth is
made of strawberry ice cream, this does not in the least influence
my

thinking regarding the veracity of your claim.

See, now here is the point where a comment would have been expected:
following the explanation.

I'm still waiting, was there an esplanation in there somewhere? for the
choices you make? whether I am right or not? whether that makes any
difference or not? Don't want to be flappen' off so I guess I will
listen awhile longer!

I'll try again. Please pay attention, and please try to directly address
what I say without breaking into godspeak or other forms of irrelevant
babble.

You said: "That I believe in my God, should give you pause that my promotion
is not fake"

I assure you that it gives me no such pause, and not because your godtalk
appears to be mainly derived in some sort of psychological disorder.

The reason it gives me no such pause is that it does not follow.

Whether you are telling me about your belief in "god" or your belief in pigs
that fly or your belief that the core of the earth is made of celery, the
fact that you believe one or all of those things to be true has absolutely
no influence whatsoever with regard to whether or not they are actually
true.

If you come across a street corner preacher and he tells you (and you
believe that he believes it) that the world is ending tomorrow, does that
fact that he believes it score any points with you in making a determination
as to whether or not the world is really going to end tomorrow?

Do you understand what I am saying now?

And that is where all this started, back there with making a
choice.

The choice being I can share your delusions or not share your
delusions.
While it might be fun to share your delusions, and to an extent it
was
enjoyable pretending to have a god creation of my own for a while,
I
am not
interested in living a lie, and therefore reject your offer to
join
in your
state of delusion.

You obviosly have made your choice!

Thank you.

I will continue to pray for you! TnT

And announcing that you will do that will continue to show that
you
are an
aggressive hateful person.

I may not be your typical milktoast Christian. I may be agressive
in
presenting what I believe, and being willing to come in here to an
open
forum and stand toe to toe with you, and not back down from what I
believe

I don't want you to back down from what you believe. Never asked you
to,
never will.

and be willing to take a few good shots myself, and come back
for more. I understand that Christianity is more than able to
withstand
and understand the best you can hit us with. However that does not
make
me hateful of you.

It is as hateful as insisting on calling a black person a ******.

I don't recall saying anything about calling folks names.

I don't recall saying anything about calling folks names either.

I am talking about the hatred inherent in your actions.

I think I said I would be praying for you.

Yes, you did. I have told you that I do not appreciate this. I find it
repulsive, in fact.

While you can obviously do whatever nutty god stuff you want, the fact that
you choose to announce to me that which you know I find offensive shows your
religion to be exactly what religion is all about - hatred against those who
refuse to believe as you do.

Of course you being your own god

More aggression.

can
look into my heart and know that I am praying for you because I am a
hateful person. That makes a lot of sense.

I have explained to you that I do not share your belief system. That you
continue to deliberately include me in your belief system despite my
expressed wishes to the contrary shows you to be a hateful person.

I don't need to look into your heart. I've told you that including me in
your belief system is offensive to me. Your announcements that you are
"praying for me" (announcements that usually come when you are at a logical
dead end) is nothing but raw aggression and hatred.

Hateful of your sin yes, but I have stood where you
are at, and thrown insults and jibes at the Christian, so I can say
I
understand to some degree where you are at, but that does not mean
I
hate you.

I do not know if you hate me, but you are hateful.

A person is hateful because you annouce that they are hateful! You
really are getting off onto this trip of being your own god.

You are flapping off again and refusing to listen to what is really quite a
straightforward explanation.

I have explained to you that I do not share your belief system. That you
continue to deliberately include me in your belief system despite my
expressed wishes to the contrary shows you to be a hateful person.

I've told you that including me in your belief system is offensive to me.
Your announcements that you are "praying for me" (announcements that usually
come when you are at a logical dead end) is nothing but raw aggression and
hatred.

I have seen this type of aggression at other times from godtalkers like
yourself. I see it used most frequently against traditional targets of
religious hatred, such as homosexuals. The religified person seeks to
dehumanize the gay person by labelling them as "sick" and shares their
"love" for the "sick" person by announcing they will "pray for them."

This is nothing but thinly disguised aggression. It really means "I hate gay
people and I want you to know that I hate you."

You are doing the same thing Tinkerntom. I have received the message,
Tinkerntom. You are filled with hatred towards me.

Am I wrong? We'll see. Given your knowledge about how I feel about being
included in your religious belief system, if you continue to do it, that
proves your hatred beyond a doubt.

Anymore than you hate SW or rich or anyone else you may
disagree with, and probably a whole lot less. May I even suggest
that
I feel compasssion for you as I get to know you better, and my
willingness to pray for you is a mark of my compassion. TnT

No, it's a measure of your hate.

And now compassion is a measure of hate. You have been smoking some
stong grass! TnT

It's not compassion. I find it revolting to be included in your religious
belief system. You can believe what you like and I have no interest in
trying to stop you. But when you deliberately include me in that which you
know repulses me, that is an act of anger and hatred.

Hopefully you will prove me wrong. But I have seen this pattern from
godtalkers before, and I think I am reading you correctly. If you continue
to deliberately include me in your religious belief system, I will know for
sure, and your status as a hateful and disturbed individual will be
confirmed.