On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:04:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Read the site. I suspect you've never delved deeper than the "Statement
of
Priniciples". When you have made a study of the entire PNAC program,
we'll be
on the same playing field in this discussion.

Before we start arguing the merits of each individual article on the
site, I think it's fair to discuss the principles of the organization.
We started with your comments shaping circumstances for favorable
outcomes, which you found arrogant. However, from later posts it seems
you agree with that statement.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

I doubt that Chuck disagrees completely with the idea of meddling PEACEFULLY
in order to create favorable political or economic situations. Every country
on earth does that to the best of its ability. I suspect the problem is that
people involved with the PNAC have already demonstrated that whether to
meddle peacefully or with weapons is pretty much a coin toss - a 50/50
chance of either happening. Not much different than standing in the cleaning
products at the supermarket and picking Ajax instead of Comet because it
doesn't make much difference.

Doug, this could be true, but Chuck referred to the shaping of
circumstances as arrogant. He didn't limit the shaping to combative
shaping.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!