You are in favor of socialism when you find it convenient for yourself,
and condemn socialism harshly at all other times.


Dave Hall wrote:
I am not in favor of socialism at any time. I am in favor of making
people independent of the need for government handouts at the expense
of other people (Which IS socialism). Social security in its present
form is basically socialism. Putting that same money into individual
accounts is not.


Really?

Having the gov't take money away from you on the assumption that you are
too dumb or too frivolous to save for your own future sound like
socialism to me.

The one saving grace of this "plan" is that so far, people saving &
investing on their own is not outlawed... yet.


If you find this fact about your beliefs and principles uncomfortable,
maybe you should do some thinking.


Maybe you should follow your own advice.


Dave, I can explain & justify my beliefs and principles. You seem to
consistently fall short, and you frequently get angry about it.

The government already takes that money from us in the form of SS
(Which is more akin to socialism). By placing that money instead, in
an individual private account, that money belongs to the individual,
not to the government

Hardly. It doesn't "belong" to the individual until that individual
reaches retirement age. Until then, it belongs to the gov't or in this
particular case to the investment professionals the gov'thas handed it to.



.... and will be available for them to tap when they
retire, or to leave to their dependents when they die.

Now there's a big plus. Of course, dependents get SS benefits already...
oops better not mention that...

... The biggest
benefit is that this money is outside of the governmental till

No, it isn't. It is being handed over monthly by the gov't to gov't
chosen investment managers.


the need for people to tap the government for aid, will lessen,

Really? Will people learn to manage their own money wisely?

meaning less socialism, as people are depending on their own income.


Meaning that the gov't will quit taking so much money away from them in
the first place?




Now tell me again, which political party is in favor of not intruding on
people's lives and maintaining Constitutional freedoms?



The republicans of course. We'd rather make people independent from
the need for government handouts.

But you want the gov't to intrude into people's savings & investments,
of course. You seem to think that people should be dependent on the
gov't to help them save money for their own future. You seem to think
that nobody can make intelligent investments without gov't help. And of
course, selected private businesses will profit from this intrusion...
that's the Republican way...

DSK