On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:09:33 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:49:37 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


John H wrote:


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:48:53 GMT, "Jim," wrote:



John H wrote:



On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:23:37 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




John H wrote:



On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:05:41 GMT, "Jim," wrote:






So having attack liberals -- how about showing data illustrating your
point as prophesied.

"If the GDP was decreasing, and the debt remained constant, the chart
would show an increase in the percent of GDP."




****************************************** *********************************
Body Weight(lbs) Brain Weight(lbs) Brain Weight as percent
Body Weight

15 1 6.6%
30 1.3 4.3%
60 1.8 3.0%
90 2.0 2.2%
140 2.3 1.6%
220 2.5 1.1%
****************************************** ******************************
There. Do you get the idea?

Yes -- You have now proved that you cannot follow even your own logic.
The question involved economics. You presented a desenting opinion, yet
are unable or unwilling to show proof of anything other than that when
pushed into a corner, you resort to personal attack.


Where, pray tell, is a personal attack? The brain vs body weight analogy was
*not* an attack. Hell, the same idea is true of any human. I showed how a
comparison of two quantities by using a ratio will hide a lot of information,
such as the actual quantities involved.

And this has what to do with economics?


Did you organize one of these?

Nope -- but as stated earlier, I will be attending one. Nice try at
changing the topic though

Data re move on anti-war vigils deleted


You're the one who brought up the 'personal attack'. I've pointed out that it's
not possible to discuss your 'chart' when the data (economic or otherwise) is
distorted. I've given you an example of the distortion.

You also brought up attending church to pray for the quick return of our
soldiers. That's something we all pray for, at least those of us who pray. There
are, in our midst, several libs who have strongly expressed their disbelief in
such activities.


Given that you failed to post any data supporting your position, I'll
use what Harry Posted

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_m...ionalDebt.html

Which I sure don't intemperate as supporting your argument.


Now you're leaving without explaining the 'personal attack'. Did the little math
lesson come across as a personal attack?
given your previous comments -- YES!

Well, I certainly didn't mean it that way. It provides a good example of how
percents can be used to distort data. It's an effective for showing 8th graders
an example of misleading statistics, especially when an actual graph of the
percents is constructed.

Be sure and look at the chart accompanying:

"Receipts, Outlays, Suprlus and Deficit as a % of GDP

So while in the previous graph you saw that the government was receiving more
and spending more in constant dollars, here you can see that in terms of the
economy as a whole, spending has been more-or-less constant since WWII."

This is in the data that Harry posted for you. As I can't see his stuff, I'll
assume what you said was correct.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."