"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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KMAN wrote:
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Tinkerntom, as I am sure you are well aware, you and Scotty can do
whatever
you want with each other, and I am not interested in (nor seeking)
to
stand
in your way.

As for your command to mind my own business, this is a public
newsgroup, and
as Scotty would surely be the first to tell you, you don't have
the
right to
control what I choose to comment on here.

God hates you for your piety, Tinkerntom.

And I have never tried to control what you "choose to comment on
here."

Ah, I must have interpreted your "mind your own business" speech
inaccurately.

That's right, you did, I can't control what you do, but I can choose to
tell you what I think you should do. A big difference, but the
subtleties are apparently too deep for your confused mind!

Mm, well Tinkerntom, I think it's obvious that you can't literally cage me
up and lock the door, so "telling me what to do" is about all the control
you can attempt. And that's what you've tried.

In fact, if you chose to talk about God in a civil fashion, I can
and
would respond in kind in a semi-detached fashion. If you choose to
make
it personal, then I can make it very personal, that is my choice.

Wow. I guess I am starting to understand that spreading god's love is
all
about threatening and trying to control people. Which is pretty much
what
religion is all about, and whether your are a victim or perpetrator,
you're
definitely part of the game Tinkerntom.

I hope that you are beginning to understand, for I believe that you
have been operating under a false understanding about God's Love.

No, I understand it perfectly, and you represent it perfectly.

many have the idea that God's Love is this nice warm fuzzy feeling that
you get at certain holiday times with family and friends. However God's
Love is far more than any of this. It is what compelled Jesus into this
world to die, and to rise again in Victory over Sin and Death and Satan
and his minions. The Love of God is the most powerful force, that
created the Universe, and will someday recreate a New Heaven and a New
Earth.

Can you give us the date?

The Love of God is what binds the Godhead together, and what
reaches out to all of us to include us in the presence of the very
Godhead someday! The Love of God compells men to reach out in Love to
others whose hearts are so hard as to even find contempt for that very
Love, but we reach out anyway. But this is a hard thing to understand I
am sure. We are speaking of the greatest miracle of God, for we are
told, "God is Love!" When we talk about the Love of God, we are talking
about the very essence of God! Not something light and fluffy, that
makes us feel warm and fuzzy! But something that becomes a consuming
fire that burns from within. A fire that cannot be quenched!

yawn

I can always choose to play or not, as can you as well, neither is in
control, unless you desire someone to be in control, however even that
is up to your choice. You say religion is all about control, and seem
to be fixated on proving that you have no choice.

Er, no, Tinkerntom, I've never said any such thing.

I've explained that most deity belief systems utilize a threat/reward system
to control their followers.

As I am not a follower, this problem does not apply to me in the least.

Your very choice
belies the claim that religion is all about control. You prove the
antithesis of your theory, by your choice.

Mm, no, clearly religious systems are not successful in controlling
everyone. However, many have been successful enough to accumulate
significant wealth and wield significant power.

Which all is a strawman arguement anyway, because I am not talking
about religion at all. If you choose to talk about religion, that is
your choice as well, and hence a free moral agent, personally
responsible for the choices you make, and you can't even then offload
your responsibility on religion.

"Religion" as I discuss it simply refers to a system of power based in deity
belief.

I have tried to lay out my thought process regarding different
scenarios, so that you can regulate yourself, to determine the
results
that you desire, and find most comfortable to live with here in our
little corner of cyberspace. Remember, the fool is someone who does
something over and over, expecting different results!

Sort of like someone who preaches about god even when the message is
clear
that the preaching is offensive to them?

A preacher, as a soldier is under orders, does what he is told to do,
even though it may seem that he is preaching to no avail, because he
believes that God can intervene in the above equation. God + zero is a
number that no super computer can calculate. God + 1 obediant servant
can bring down any wall of wicked resistance, no matter what the odds,
or how hardened the wall!

I'll take that as a "yes."

If you choose to be a busy-body, and into everone elses personal
business

How am I into your personal business, Tinkerntom? Did I cyberstalk
you (like
you once did to me) and try to use information from outside this
group to
silence you? I haven't been in your personal business one bit.

I would say that you have tried to silence me with your whining,
lackluster logic, and some general nastiness.

That's all very debatable, but you will recall that your claim was that I
was into your "personal business."

Try to stick with something for once.

How am I into your personal business?

Even this comment is not
offered to clarify any previous perceived wrong, but to silence me in
the current conversation.

Tinkerntom, you've got to be joking. I daresay it is painfully clear that
your piehole remains open regardless of the events around you.

And all of this current attempted
intimidation is aimed at the proposed meeting between SW and myself,
and trying to influence whether we get together or not.

Again, you must be joking. You are a match made in heaven. Nobody cares. Get
together. Make love in the afternoon sun next to the creek. Be happy!

That is RL
intimidation and has nothing to do with any proposed sanctity of
cyberspace!

What are you yapping about? What RL intimidation?!?!?

If you open the door to the previous situation, we could go
back and re-examine the disaster of your previous communications in
other groups if you would like

Go ahead Tinkerntom, you remember what happened last time. You have no clue
as to the context of any of the materials you posted, and one of the people
you assumed to be some sort of enemy of mine advised you to "suck his hairy
balls." So, if you want more of that, go ahead.

But again, it is interesting to see that you have just resorted to a threat,
yet again. I've made no such threats towards you.

otherwise I would recommend that we
stay in the current conversation! And staying in the current
converstion, I see no need to be silent!

What a shock.

that says alot more about you, than anything else you may
have to say on that subject in particular, and probably in general
as
well. Small minds make small comments and contributions to any
society,
including the RBP. If this is not the case with you, you are free
to
comment and show all of us otherwise

Your god complex is showing again. Speak for yourself, not for "us
all."
Unless you've been elected Grand Priest of RBP and I never got my
ballot.

I can choose to speak for us all

As someone who is delusional and afflicted with a god complex, yes.

that continue to hear your whining.

What am I whining about Tinkerntom?

The conclusions we draw will depend on our own position, though the
whining itself without doubt speaks loudly! Others may choose to speak
for themselves, and that is their choice as well, if they disagree with
me! Hello, I don't hear anyone else! and you definitely don't "show all
of us otherwise" either!

Well Tinkerntom, you haven't been elected to represent the group through any
process I've seen, but of course you can continue whatever fanciful
activities you wish.

that is definitely a choice that
is up to you. Reminds me of another saying;

Let men think you a fool, just don't speak,
by opening your mouth, you leave no doubt!

You've left no doubt.

Nor have you!

Geezus, with all that imagination you'd think you'd have a better retort.

You are correct on one point though, you said God hates "piety".
Two
points.

No, I said god hates YOU for your piety.

Big difference.

And I said you don't know what you are talking about! No matter what
the difference!

Wow! Another amazing retort! And you used exclamation marks!

In that context, I am talking about the definition of piety that
refers to
hypocrisy. And your religious blather is the worst kind of hypocrisy.
You
throw in a "god loves you" and you think that will cover up your
blatant
hostility. It doesn't. It makes you pious hypocrite much like the
priest
preaching chastity while diddling the altar boy in the back room.

Is that what happened to you?

No, but trust you to try to exploit such an idea.

The love of god eh?

Try the hostility of a petty hateful man.

That would explain alot of the hostility,
and I would have to agree with you, that is definitely hypocritical of
the priest! But it does not change the fact that God does Love you. If
you allow a hypocrite to stand between you and God, that only means
that the hypocrite is closer to God than you are! There are many actors
on the stage of Life, the problem is the play is for REAL! Are you
playing for real, or are you a hypocrite?

For real, Tinkerntom. God is only a figment of your twisted imagination.
Reality is much more work, try it and see. It can also be much more
rewarding than fantasy.

One, I always find it interesting when someone who does not believe
in
God seems to have a pretty good idea about what God likes and
dislikes;
pretty good imagination there about the invisible that does not
exist.
Which by logic, could not have likes and dislikes, and so would
nullify
your point in the first place.

The fact that god exists only in your imagination does not mean that
there
is not satirical material to be had in reflecting your own delusions
back
onto you.

An argument may be satirical, and provide a snicker, but it does not
present a basis for a logical conclusion. If you desire to arrive at a
logical conclusion, stick with a logical argument! Your point is still
Null if you do not believe in God, independent of my imagination!

There is no logical starting point for your fantastical rantings.

Secondly to your point about piety. Piety is an act of devotion and
reverence to God. If the act is performed for the purpose of
establishing ones own righteousness, then God definitely hates it,
because it sparates us from the righteousness that come from God,
by
believing in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. The scripture
says, "All our righteousness is like filthy rags!" So if we are
depending on our own acts of piety and benevolence to get in God's
favor and get close to Him, we would do better to grab a bunch of
dirty
old filthy rags and rap them up as a present for the King of Kings,
and
then should not be surprised when we are not allowed in His
presence.

For myself, I acknowledge that all I had to offer Him was a bundle
of
filthy rags, and I accepted Jesus as my Savior, He is now the
source of
my Righteousness. And now the greatest act of piety on my behalf is
to
crawl up in His lap, as a Son of God, a Child of the King, and say,
I
Love You Father. He delights in these acts of piety by His
Children.

God Loves you KMAN, and you are oh so close to the Kingdom!

Are you in that Kingdom, Tinkerntom?

If so, then without need for creating a deity of my own, I know that
I want
to be elsewhere.

And you shall be elsewhere

Hurray!

if you continue on "the broad path that is
easy, and leads to destruction!" However, I would point out that it is
all His Kingdom, for He descended into Hades and took back the Keys of
Hades and of Hell. Now He is enthroned at the right hand of the Father,
where He reigns as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords! You are already in
His Kingdom, albeit an unwilling servant whether you know it or not!
However the day will come when every knee shall bow, and every tongue
confess that He is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. I just figure its
easier to do it now and be on the winning side, than to wait until it
is to late and be on the whining side.

yawn

There is
not hostility here towards you KMAN

You are oozing hostility. You can't putty over it with your "god
loves you"
blather. It's incredibly obvious.

The Scriptures teach us that God hates sin, but Loves the Sinner. Yes I
am very hostile to all that is hateful and wicked, and sinful. But I
can still tell you that God Loves you KMAN, the sinner! And I am
learning to Love you with His Love. No hostility to you, just your sin!

ROFL.

Again, you are behaving exactly as expected. You are full of hate, but you
feel that your hate can be justified through your belief in an invisible
entity. Amazing, disturbing, and yet typical of religious belief systems.

You know that your religified blather isn't going to move me closer
to
whatever beliefs you share, so you also know that all your god talk
is for
no greater purpose than to satifsy your own personal issues, which I
am
guessing have mainly to do with serious questioning of your own
self-worth.
By investing in your delusions about your connection with a deity,
you can
disassociate from whatever nasty demons are ailing you.

Talk about blather, say again, what was that! That sounds like
pseudo-professional, doubtful, deceitful, double talk. A regular smoke
screen! My conversation is not designed to move you or anyone. It is
designed, if you so choose, to find yourself moved nearer to God. The
choice is yours, not mine, and not based on my own self-worth, but the
ascribed value that God placed upon me when He sent His Son to die for
all of us, each one of us who believe! A value that cannot be conceived
by the mind of any man! And certainly not imagined in the grandest
delusions of any mind!

yawn

but a deep sense of compassion for a wounded heart and soul.

It's all about your wounded heart and soul, Tinkerntom. You use your
religified blather to shield your already damaged psyche from the
harsh
light of reality.

God Loved you before I came along to the RBP,
and He heard that cry, and assigned me to be here for awhile to
share
His Love with you and others who come along.

Ah! You are on a mission from god. You are "the chosen one."

Why didn't you say so earlier?

Because you didn't ask! and because you are incorrect!

No, He is the Chosen One! I am glad to see that you are able to know
the need for a Chosen One!

I think it was Eddie Murphy in The Golden Child.

I am just a sent one, He says, that He sends
us out into the world, to sow seed, plant and water, and some to bring
in the harvest. There are many of us. He also refers to us as fishers
of men. My only claim to fame is that I am a Servant of the Most High
God, and it is a privilege to work in His service as a farmer and a
fisher of men.

yawn

He heard your cry, and I
am learning to hear it, and to know the Love of God that suppasses
understanding, flowing through me like a River of Love flowing out
to
you with Springs of Living Water. I cannot imagine the terrible
wounds
that have been afflicted upon your heart and soul, to result in the
cries that I hear, but God Knows, and Loves you, and can heal all
those
wounds and the broken heart! TnT

The pain you are feeling is never going to be healed through this
insanity,
Tinkerntom. You need to confront your demons and do the work of
healing
within the harsh context of reality. Escaping your problems through
this
deity delusion is obviously forcing you to live increasingly in the
confines
of your imagination, divorcing you further and further from reality.
Ultimately you will end up unable to return.

Jesus already confronted my demons, and they hightailed it back to Hell
where they belong. And Jesus healed me with the reality of His gentle
touch, many times! And Jesus has set the captive free from all that
binds and destroys the shattered dreams and broken soul. The spirit of
the believer is set free to worship God as he was intended before the
Fall, before the Foundation of the World, in the Beauty of Holiness.
For the Word says, "Be ye Holy, for I am Holy", and God's word ascribes
to us Holiness! "For you are now the righteousness of God in Christ
Jesus!"

Ultimately I will end up in His Glorious Presence, from which I shall
never leave, nor want to return. My hope is to hear Him say, "Well done
thou good and faithful servant!" I would also be glad to see you there
on that glorious day, but the choice is yours! KMAN, God Loves you! TnT

yawn

Get well soon, Tinkerntom.