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KMAN wrote:
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A Usenet persona calling itself Tinkerntom wrote:



Scott, I must not have made myself clear, and
riverman
missed
my
point.
I would like to meet the real Scott Weiser. Will the
real
Scott
Weiser
please stand up?

That would be me.

I have trouble believing all the bad things they say
about you as being true.

They aren't.

I have not had opportunity to go back and read
all the archives, and would really appreciate the
opportunity
to
form
my own opinion. So is it possible to meet? TnT

I imagine that is possible, though I'm a bit busy with
business
right now.
We could meet for lunch one of these days if you like.

Give me a call and leave your number, I'm in the book.

I think it's the birth of a new political party. Scotty
will
seize
control
of the armed forces and Tinkerntom will wow the masses
as
god's
representative on earth ;-)

KMAN, It seems that we already have your attention! Our
plan
is
working! TnT

I'm sure in your minds it is...you and Scotty together
could
make
Waco look
like a minor event...the problem is, which of the two of
you
is
to be
David
Koresh?

KMAN, I wondered what happened to you today, It has been
pretty
quiet
here on the RBP today, though things are beginning to pick
up. I
thought you maybe even went to church this AM, being
Sunday
and
everything. But I knew the bliss could not last, some of
us
actually
talking about boats, what a novel idea!

As far as SW and I getting together for lunch, I hope you
are
not
missing to much sleep over this, or that nasty headache
you
get
is
coming back. Remember the cure, two Motrin, and that God
Loves
you.

BTW, I do not believe in reincarnation, and DK was ushered
into
the
afterlife to stay. So we will just have to continue what
we
do
so
well;
SW telling you about annoying the whole world, and me
trying
to
figure
out how to tell the whole world that "God so Loved the
whole
world,
that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes
on
Him
shall
not perish, but have everlasting life!"

Now that could be just a foretaste of better things to
come,
so
be
nice
to me or I will pray for you! Which I am sure will
totally
creep
you
out knowing that I am praying for you, and looking for
additional
opportunities to aim my unlimited supply of God's Love, at
your
heart!
Of course I will probably be praying for you anyway, so
its a
win/win
at least from my side of the path! TnT

I really and truly find it hard to believe that you are not
a
chronic user
of hard drugs.

For some reason, I get the feeling that this site:
http://tinyurl.com/2wf69 is more in line with tinkeredamns
thought
processes.

Mark

And you demonstrate, all the more the need for "God's Love",
"Come
let
us reason together, though your sins be scarlet, they shall
be
as
white
as snow."

"The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all our sins."

Obviously I need to be praying for you also, Mark, your power
of
reason
is totally messed up and lost in sin! TnT

That site is quite a lot more coherent than your religified
rantings
Tinkerntom, and while I won't be signing up myself, at least
they
have a
female High Priestess. They may be satanists but they are more
progressive
than, say, the Catholic Church!

Progressive implies that there is something new here, and that
new
is
good. There is neither, nothing new or good with any of this
stuff!

And that's exactly how many of us feel about your "god" crap,
Tinkerntom. I
guess you are finally starting to understand.

If I went at you constantly with salutations from Satan - even
after
you had
made it clear that you did not want to hear about Satan's love for
you -
that would be the same type of hostility you perpetrate everyday
with
your
own preaching.

Clearly you aren't a big fan of Satanism, so even though I think
your

reaction to it was hilarious, I won't start preaching about Satan
to
you
just to make your feel creepy.

I wonder if you will return the favour with your god crap?

Please understand, I do not share God's Love with "you just to make
your feel creepy." Your joking about Satan to me does not creep me
out,
or intimidate me, or put me off in the least, or even surprise me.
I am
seldom surprised at the wickedness that can be found in the heart
of
man.

Well, as you say, I am only joking.

And yet for all its wickedness, I still marvel at God's Love that
covers all of our wickedness with His Blood.

Since I am joking and you are serious, it's clear who is the wicked
one,
Tinkerntom.

I do not share God's Love with you as something that is new, and
hence
progressive. I share God's Love with you because, despite your
protest,
I hear a cry from deep within your soul to know that you are loved
by
God.

No, that would be your mental illness. And while I sympathize with
the fact
that you are ill and urge you to seek help, at the same time I think
it is
reasonable to point out your hostile behaviour.

This cry is reflected in the various and sundry comments that you
are compeled to make. There are many out there who are not so
compeled,
I hear no cry, and I make no direct and specific statement to them
about God's Love!

Yesterday, I was having a good time talking boats, even with frtwz,
and
even there, restricted the conversation to his shakedown cruise. If
you
don't want to hear about God, then restrict your conversation to
boats.
If you make an OT comment in particular to me and about me, ex:
David
Koresh, then know that as far as I am concerned you are subject to
everything and anything that I choose to dish out and share about
God's
Love. If someone makes an indirect derogatory comments about God,
ex:
the satanism website, you will be subject to my full attention. If
you
continue to make despairing and derogatory OT comments about me,
and my
relationship with God, or about God in general, you will continue
getting more and more of my attention. I will be more attentive to
share freely and openly about God's love to you and everyone who
chooses to participate in the conversation, and I will definitely
put
you on my prayer list if you indicate your need to be there.

I have gotten to know you in our conversation a little, and I do
not
believe that you are specifically a troll, that is only interested
in
stirring up trouble, though the Lord knows that you bring plenty
down
upon yourself. You seem to have sincere interest in many subjects,
which I am willing to discuss with you from various perspectives.
However, you also seem to be unable to keep from making the
forementioned type of comments, that will continue to result in the
forementioned result. If you do not desire the results, then modify
the
comments.

As to those who troll out of spite, and have no other vested
interest
in the group or any of the ongoing converstions, I usually will
ignore,
as that is the only response they understand and appreciate. Though
their name will go on my prayer list as well. If they have nothing
better to do than to trash and crap on everything and everywhere
they
go, that is a sad commentary on them and their ability to make
positive
and constructive contributions in society at large, and the usenet
and
RBP in specific. They need all the help they can get!

Your concern about me and SW getting together may be cute in its
inception, but we are adults in a free society. If we choose to get
together for lunch to meet each other, that is our business. Until
we
make it your business by allowing our relatinship to affect what is
discussed by you on RBP. Just as if your getting together for lunch
with anyone is any of my business. I would suggest that you mind
your
own business, unless we were to make it yours. And as always know
that
God Loves you, and I am praying for you! TnT

Tinkerntom, as I am sure you are well aware, you and Scotty can do
whatever
you want with each other, and I am not interested in (nor seeking) to
stand
in your way.

As for your command to mind my own business, this is a public
newsgroup, and
as Scotty would surely be the first to tell you, you don't have the
right to
control what I choose to comment on here.

God hates you for your piety, Tinkerntom.

And I have never tried to control what you "choose to comment on here."

Ah, I must have interpreted your "mind your own business" speech
inaccurately.

In fact, if you chose to talk about God in a civil fashion, I can and
would respond in kind in a semi-detached fashion. If you choose to make
it personal, then I can make it very personal, that is my choice.

Wow. I guess I am starting to understand that spreading god's love is all
about threatening and trying to control people. Which is pretty much what
religion is all about, and whether your are a victim or perpetrator, you're
definitely part of the game Tinkerntom.

I have tried to lay out my thought process regarding different
scenarios, so that you can regulate yourself, to determine the results
that you desire, and find most comfortable to live with here in our
little corner of cyberspace. Remember, the fool is someone who does
something over and over, expecting different results!

Sort of like someone who preaches about god even when the message is clear
that the preaching is offensive to them?

If you choose to be a busy-body, and into everone elses personal
business

How am I into your personal business, Tinkerntom? Did I cyberstalk you (like
you once did to me) and try to use information from outside this group to
silence you? I haven't been in your personal business one bit.

that says alot more about you, than anything else you may
have to say on that subject in particular, and probably in general as
well. Small minds make small comments and contributions to any society,
including the RBP. If this is not the case with you, you are free to
comment and show all of us otherwise

Your god complex is showing again. Speak for yourself, not for "us all."
Unless you've been elected Grand Priest of RBP and I never got my ballot.

that is definitely a choice that
is up to you. Reminds me of another saying;

Let men think you a fool, just don't speak,
by opening your mouth, you leave no doubt!

You've left no doubt.

You are correct on one point though, you said God hates "piety". Two
points.

No, I said god hates YOU for your piety.

Big difference.

In that context, I am talking about the definition of piety that refers to
hypocrisy. And your religious blather is the worst kind of hypocrisy. You
throw in a "god loves you" and you think that will cover up your blatant
hostility. It doesn't. It makes you pious hypocrite much like the priest
preaching chastity while diddling the altar boy in the back room.

One, I always find it interesting when someone who does not believe in
God seems to have a pretty good idea about what God likes and dislikes;
pretty good imagination there about the invisible that does not exist.
Which by logic, could not have likes and dislikes, and so would nullify
your point in the first place.

The fact that god exists only in your imagination does not mean that there
is not satirical material to be had in reflecting your own delusions back
onto you.

Secondly to your point about piety. Piety is an act of devotion and
reverence to God. If the act is performed for the purpose of
establishing ones own righteousness, then God definitely hates it,
because it sparates us from the righteousness that come from God, by
believing in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. The scripture
says, "All our righteousness is like filthy rags!" So if we are
depending on our own acts of piety and benevolence to get in God's
favor and get close to Him, we would do better to grab a bunch of dirty
old filthy rags and rap them up as a present for the King of Kings, and
then should not be surprised when we are not allowed in His presence.

For myself, I acknowledge that all I had to offer Him was a bundle of
filthy rags, and I accepted Jesus as my Savior, He is now the source of
my Righteousness. And now the greatest act of piety on my behalf is to
crawl up in His lap, as a Son of God, a Child of the King, and say, I
Love You Father. He delights in these acts of piety by His Children.

God Loves you KMAN, and you are oh so close to the Kingdom!

Are you in that Kingdom, Tinkerntom?

If so, then without need for creating a deity of my own, I know that I want
to be elsewhere.

There is
not hostility here towards you KMAN

You are oozing hostility. You can't putty over it with your "god loves you"
blather. It's incredibly obvious.

You know that your religified blather isn't going to move me closer to
whatever beliefs you share, so you also know that all your god talk is for
no greater purpose than to satifsy your own personal issues, which I am
guessing have mainly to do with serious questioning of your own self-worth.
By investing in your delusions about your connection with a deity, you can
disassociate from whatever nasty demons are ailing you.

but a deep sense of compassion for a wounded heart and soul.

It's all about your wounded heart and soul, Tinkerntom. You use your
religified blather to shield your already damaged psyche from the harsh
light of reality.

God Loved you before I came along to the RBP,
and He heard that cry, and assigned me to be here for awhile to share
His Love with you and others who come along.

Ah! You are on a mission from god. You are "the chosen one."

Why didn't you say so earlier?


He heard your cry, and I
am learning to hear it, and to know the Love of God that suppasses
understanding, flowing through me like a River of Love flowing out to
you with Springs of Living Water. I cannot imagine the terrible wounds
that have been afflicted upon your heart and soul, to result in the
cries that I hear, but God Knows, and Loves you, and can heal all those
wounds and the broken heart! TnT

The pain you are feeling is never going to be healed through this insanity,
Tinkerntom. You need to confront your demons and do the work of healing
within the harsh context of reality. Escaping your problems through this
deity delusion is obviously forcing you to live increasingly in the confines
of your imagination, divorcing you further and further from reality.
Ultimately you will end up unable to return.