To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is
not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and
for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from
the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when
the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can
still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his
teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way
you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume
aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert
is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive
posture.
The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of
delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of
others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making
a plea... which isn't assertive.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google
searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught
and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't
recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your
ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is
aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care
how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on
laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive
personality.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek
to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their
bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are
able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with
aggression and everything to do with survival....
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom
of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not
have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to
comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as
opposed to logic.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment
lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions
and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain
their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or
continue to rise....
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make
erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average
male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive
nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few
women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of
aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to
do with it.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as
anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it
worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived
in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in
an enlightened society is an anachronism...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and
assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself
despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the
logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive.
Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that
aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression
between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be
comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is
dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the
youngest of our gender.
CM
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in
the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the
ground.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of
asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your
subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This
situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral
indifference.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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I am assertive....not aggressive....
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Aggression need not be physical....
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
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I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the
boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take
your own advise.
CM
"katysails" wrote in message
Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal
instinct and start using the tools that were given you to
negotiate and walk away from aggression?
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