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It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are
different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in
Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the
invasion.
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They
did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran.
So what is your point Jim?
Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the
Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy
who did things HIS way?
No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps
you can provide a link.
Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with
Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing?
Convienent memory! --
No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam?
I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The
question asked was "is this a flip or a flop?
Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international
politics.
Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal
with other Countries?
From your favorite news source
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html
"The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining
with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting
that Tehran abandon its program."
Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my
favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative?
Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things
without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma?
OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world.
I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to?
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm
Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift
in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them
before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior.
Great. Bush is doing good....eh?
I'll give him this one
During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil,"
along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Nothing has changed. Your point is?
Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea?
We already are.
And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979
Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60
hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days.
Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those
years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan
Your point is?
The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big
issue of flip flopping during the campaign.
No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing
with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to
their core beliefs.
Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with
the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code,
abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will
sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries.
Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion,
Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm
the war on terror,
He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all
troop funding,
Again deceived
Bull**** and a lame excuse.
ANWAR,
Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling.
http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm
welfare reform,
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm
the death penalty
Not so
http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php
the Patriot Act,
Agreed
affirmative action
See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp
....and on and on and on.
Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops.
http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm
The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and
Bush hasn't.
Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king.
Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source?
Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in
what they say?
Didn't bother to read it --
I figured as much.
- find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux.
Find it yourself.
Oh, what the hell.
Here you go:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml
“We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know
today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing
there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons
of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein
to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."
Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm
In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear
material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In
another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to
combat bioterrorism.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN)
While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic"
flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by
President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article
about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in
managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New
York Times noted:
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp
YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM]
FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas
may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from
outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt
society require no such 'role models' as Arafat."
— The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997
THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the
peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace
process."
— John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004
(A lot can happen in 7 years)
http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207
This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by
individuals -- scroll down.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491
The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a
group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage.
American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased!
Enough -- this is all pollitical BS.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp
Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-)
Sure just look up all the heo-con comments