Tink, in reference to humanism:
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You talk about blind faith, this is dumb blind faith!
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And how is this different from the dumb blind faith of a religious
person?

Tink:
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This is like the old metaphysicist trying to conjure gold out of clay,
or lead, or crap. Still does not work!
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Sorry, lead -- gold has been achieved many times. Here in Vancouver,
for example, at TRIUMF - Tri University Meson Facility.

Tink:
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A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful
through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our
intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who
differ from us.

More hogwash! If this life is an end in itself, all the history and
artistic achievments will be trash on the next generations dung heap!
Ask HST!
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What ARE you talking about. Secular humanists create (art, music,
teach, coach, etc) so as to leave a lasting impression. For us, it's
the only chance we've got.

We're not like crazed religious nuts who would fly planes into
buildings because there is some damned after-life.

There is NO after-life. That's why humanists do the best they can while
they're here. They're the pacifists. The teachers. The artists. The
scientists. They're the ones who give a damn about making THIS life
better!

And your logic about their art being trash on a dung-heap escapes me.

My after-life, insofar as there'll be one, exists in the impression I
leave behind. My after life rests entirely - solely - on my
achievements.

On this point, Tink, you haven't a clue!

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