BCITORGB wrote:
Tink says:
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And if this is so, and Jesus
is God, the same Holy God of the Old Testement, and even before the
Old
Testement, the time of Cain and Abel, how could He not destroy us
all?
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I had a funny feeling I ought not t have gotten into this. I wanted
JC's position on these issues (explained, as I understand it, in the
New Testament). I have no desire to hear from Moses, Cain, Abel, etc
and all those guys in the Old Testament. Can we not just hear from
that
hippy-dude JC?

I have no desire to play back-to-the-future and other games that put
Genesis in the mouth of JC. I want to acknowledge an historical
figu
JC. I want to examine HIS teachings (and his specific words ONLY). If
we can't do that, and if, somehow, this discussion has to go before
Christmas Day, all bets are off.

Anyway, with what you've said to date, on the capital punishment
issue,
I'm happy to concede to you and fade off into the sunset with the
conclusion that this religion stuff is even creepier than I imagined.
Evil. Mean-spirited. Vengeful. YIKES! Get me out of here!

frtzw906

frtwz, Do you fade so quickly from the race, the game just began? We
are still figuring out the rules of the game.

I shared initially how JC handled the situation when the religious
people tried to trap Him into denying the civil law, and specifically
the death penalty for the woman caught in adultery. He endorsed the
death penalty when he said " Let the stones fly", or something to that
effect! That was from his mouth as a historical figure.

I also shared that His submission to the Roman civil law illustrated
His compliance to the demand for justice by submitting to
crucification, which was the Roman way of exercising the death penalty.
A tacit approval, but neverless approval.

Is there any other specific teaching of JC regarding capital punishment
during his historical life that you are familiar with, and that I am
missing, that you wanted to discuss. You say the New Testement, and
then limit it further to His historical life, which would primarily
restrict the discussion to the 4 Gospels. . When you say "His specific
word only", you seem to be wanting to get to a specific point. I don't
know what that point is, so if you are, it would help if you would make
it known.

If I am still missing the question, I apologize for being so dense, and
can only encourage you to see if you can ask your question again. I
truly am not trying to deceive you, and would desire nothing more than
to clearly understand your question, so that I could answer you as
clearly.

I tried playing JC in Washington now, and that was not what you were
after either, so I am totally miffed as to how you want to play the
game.

As we quickly discovered, playing in the future, and in the past, opens
up way to much of the playing field. So if you could restate your
questions with whatever limits you choose to put on it, I will see what
I can come up with as an answer. No promises!

I was rereading your post, and read the following statement that may be
a hint of where the block lies.

"I wanted JC's position on these issues (explained, as I understand it,
in the New Testament)."

I don't know what you understand JCs position on these issues to be, as
explained in the New Testament, and certainly not knowing your
understanding of the New Testament. Maybe if we started from your
position, and trying to understand what you say you understand the New
Testament teaches that Jc's position is on these issues. Then I could
either provide supporting evidence, contradictory evidence or at least
clarifying scripture. TnT