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in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 3/4/05 10:14 PM:

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

in article , Scott Weiser at
wrote on 3/1/05 5:36 PM:

A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And
amazingly, no one gets shot there!

Prove it. Show me one community that you can certify does not have a gun
in
it, and then show me how you can prevent a gun from being brought into
that
community from outside.

I never said some whackjob like yourself couldn't bring a gun into a place
with no guns.

Thanks for admitting that your utopian argument is nonsense.

I'm not making a utopian argument.

Of course you are, you're just too ignorant to understand it. And you're
trying to evade the issue as well. You said,"There are lots of communities
in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there!"

You were challenged to supply even ONE example of such a utopian community.

Sigh. What I'm really talking about is communities that don't have the type
of nutty gun culture that gets hearts pumping for freaks like you. I've
lived in Ottawa most of my life and never seen a gun that did not belong to
a member of a police force. Have people been shot here? Yes. Is it uncommon?
Also Yes. Would be safer if gun loving was a more popular part of our
culture? Not. Nobody moves away from here because they think they'd be safer
somewhere where guns were more prevalent. You'd have to be totally insane to
think like that.

You were unable to do so. Your implicit thesis is that if a community
doesn't have guns in it, nobody will be shot. The first failure in your
logic is the fallacious presumption that just because a community does not
have a gun in it NOW, it will never have a gun in it. Your second failure is
in assuming that the only way people can be injured, killed or victimized by
violent criminals is with a gun. Even in Japan, where guns are tightly
restricted, people still get killed. Sometimes with butcher knives, or
swords or any number of other weapons...and sometimes with guns.

Mhmm.

How does that happen, pray tell? How is it that guns are used in Japan to
commit crimes? Japan has very strict laws forbidding private ownership of
guns, particularly handguns, and yet handgun crimes still occur...and the
number is rising.

How can that be? Can you explain this dichotomy?

For one thing, it's so damned easy to pick up a gun in the USA! You can buy
a wicked assault weapon like you are buying a pack of gum. And then smuggle
it into a country like Japan where the people choose not to worship guns
like they are the second coming of jesus christ.

Thinking that everyone having a gun is the path to non-violence is beyond
utopian, it is evidence of a sick mind.

Thinking that the path to non-violence can be walked without a gun is
evidence of a sick mind. Unless you LIKE being a martyr to non-violence like
Gandhi. If that's what works for you, fine.

Geezus you are a loser. You think Gandhi was some sort of wimp, wherease
some asshole with a basement full of assault weapons is hot ****?

Me, I'll achieve peace through
superior firepower. There's a lot of violent people out there hiding in the
bushes alongside your path. Best of luck with your journey.

ROFL.

The myth of the violent stranger in the bush.

That's not who is going to kill you.

You and your big rack of guns are more likely to get turned on a member of
your own family - or on yourself. Or you'll put a big hole in some person
you've mistaken for an attacker because you are so damned eager to have your
chance to be a hero gunslinger.