Scott, I've got sites for you....

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/27/St..._on_decl.shtml
and
http://caag.state.ca.us/newsalerts/2004/04-109.htm

"Criminal cases decreased by 10,000 in the first half of 2004. Gov. Jeb
Bush
credits tougher sentencing laws."

Tougher sentencing laws, NOT possession of guns is considered to be the
relevant factor.

"However, murders increased 5.3 percent in the first half of 2004 to
456,
compared with 433 in 2004. Guns were used in 62 percent of the
slayings, the
FDLE report said."

WOW!. Less crimes with possession of guns, eh?

"The FDLE report comes on the heels of the FBI's Uniform Crime report
for
2003, which showed a drop in violent crimes nationwide, although
Florida's
murder rate was up slightly in 2003, climbing to 5.4 per 100,000 people
compared with 5.3 per 100,000 in 2002."

Soooo.... Nationwide drop in violent crimes but murder rates up in
Florida. I forget now, do they have liberal gun laws in Florida or
not?

Compare Florida with a gun-control state like California...

Florida: murder rate up slightly in 2003. BUT

California: Overall, violent crime offenses decreased by 3.4 percent
from
2002 to 2003. Homicides decreased 1.5 percent.

Whaddya thinking, Scott?

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