"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article
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Tinkerntom
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KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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KMAN wrote:
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My apologies for being unclear Tinkerntom.
Can I please try again?
Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for
health
care?
If you will excuse and accept the following babble?
I deleted it.
Has he proven it?
Yes, he provided evidence, and there was other evidence
available!
How has he PROVEN it. Anyone can "provide evidence" that is not
the same as
proving something, Tinkerntom.
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Not to the willfully ignorant, right liarman?
For example, your participation here in this newsgroup is
something I would
provide as evidence that you are suffering from mental health
problems. But
as I am sure you will agree, it doesn't prove it.
For example, did a coroner's inquiry say "Person X died while
waiting
for
health care, and if the health care system had not responded
so
slowly,
she'd still be alive?"
Yes, read about Diane Gorsuch below!
That fact that a person was on a waiting list for something
and died
doesn't
mean that caused the death.
He never claimed that! If so show me Date and Time of rick's
post! I am
to tired to search any longer myself, having read and reread
probably
100 less than inspiring epistles by you two.
Sigh.
Well what would be the point of claiming that someone died
while they were
on a waiting list but the fact that they were waiting was not
related to the
cause of death!?!?!!??
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Then read the sites presented, liarman.
Has rick PROVEN to you that Canadians are dying waiting for
health
care?
Yes, ask and answered previously and below!
How has he proven it?
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Many times, with Candians medical sources, liarman.
Can you point me to an objective report (such as a coroner's
report or
inquiry) that says "Person X died because they were on a
waiting list and
their death was preventable if they had not been on that
waiting list"
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camj
Please note (in case not obvious) this means that it was the
waiting
that
caused them to die.
Now you are changing the question, rick never claimed this. He
claimed
that people died while their name was on a waiting list,
waiting for a
test or procedure that could have saved their life.
That's fine.
Point me to any objective report that says someone died because
they were
waiting for treatment that woudl have saved their life.
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camj
They still might
have lost their life, even if they had the procedure, because
these
were seriously ill individuals with life threatening illness,
usually
cardiac or ontology, but that is a different issue entirely!
No, it isn't.
Before your deleted it, did you read it?
Your promise was posted as follows;
Feb 22, 7:03 am
"Please provide a link to the message in which you posted a
Canadian
reference (or any reference) that proves Canadians have died
in wait
lines for health care, and I will make a formal and public
apology."
Sigh.
I am not a scumbag like rick.
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You're far worse. I ay least provide evidence for the claims I
make. You have nothing, liarman.
I make a formal and public apology. The question, although
badly worded, was
worded by yours truly, and, as worded,the requested burden has
been met.
Sadly, the intended purpose of asking such a question - to
combat bizarre
mythology being propogated about Canadian health care and to
try to bring
some focus to wild unsubstiated generalizations - has been even
more widly
derailed by rick's deceptive tactics that have focused mainly
on ad hominem
attacks and unreferenced accusations.
The Canadian health care system is excellent, and what some of
the articles
you quoted show is that the provincial and federal governments
(and more
importantly the general populace) see it as a top priority and
are
determined to keep standards high.