"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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KMAN wrote:
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"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article et,
rick at
wrote on 3/1/05 11:27 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
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et, rick at
wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM:

kman also claimed that no one in Canada waits for treatment,
yet
another lie

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...anbacklog.html

I never made that claim,
===========================
Yes, you did.
"...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005 2:14pm
Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but".

Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete
statement.

Example:

What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not true. He's
got to
be
the biggest idiot on the planet!

To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I don't think
rick
is
an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been doing
with my
sentence about waiting.

Here is more of the context:

======

As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month waits for
the
high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of
diagnostic imaging
at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the wait is
"less than
ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated and
followed by
other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan
gets one.
======================
LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED emegency
treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of the
list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered more
than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond
treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment.


You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in
isolated or slum
areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their
convenience? Get
real.
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Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their
'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the medical
systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical facility in
need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 years
for treatment.

No one is waiting for treatment.
======================
Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have agreed to
that,
now.

Nono. Stop being dishonest.

I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.

See the context above again. It is not that complicated.

I responded to your claim that the people in your example were
waiting 2 1/2
years for treatment. They are not.

It's about a specific type of scan in a
specific geographic area and the waiting is for non-emergencies.
====================
Nope. You claimed that no Canadians were waiting for treatment.

I made no such claim, you are a liar and a scumbag. There is no such
thing
as a health care system where no one waits for treatment.

You owe me an apology.

rick, I believe that you owe KMAN an apology for being so quick to beat
him up when he misspoke. You were correct to recognize his untenable
position intitially, and confront him with it, but he has since
modified and clarified that statement, and you owe him the civility of
his response when he recognized that he had misspoke. If he did not
initially recognize his misspeak, he definitly has at this time. I
would recommend that you allow his retraction, so that you can get on
with a meaningful discussion, unless you appear intransient and bring
disrepute on your obviously defendable position. TnT

Tinkerntom, you are mixing up two different situations.

There was the situation where I was challenging rick to prove that Canadians
are dying in waiting lines for health care.

What is happening above is an entirely different scenario. Rick accused me
of stating that there is no one in Canada waiting for treatment. That is an
absurd statement and I never made it. Being the sneaky scum that he is, he
posted one sentence out of a long conversation without the relevant context
to try and make him look like less of a liar. But as you can see from the
context, all I was telling him was that in the case of Newfoundland that he
was talking about, the people concerned were in fact under the constant care
of a doctor and therefore were not waiting for treatment.