"KMAN" wrote in message
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"rick" wrote in message
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"KMAN" wrote in message
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"Tinkerntom


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He has not provided any evidence that Canadians are dying
waiting in line (or waiting on a list) for health care.
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Yes, I have.

Post it.
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Already been done, fool. Now, more than once...



However, on 2/20 at 9:32 Rick presented 4 links as evidence
to support
his claim that Canadians were dying while on wait list, and
receiving
late, slow, and inadequate medical procedures. That if a
Canadian had
the funding, that he could go to the USA and receive prompt
medical
attention, and that in Canada, such outsoursing was
considered illegal,
and subject to a substantial penalty. Rick was not comparing
the
advantages or disadvantages of the two systems, nor even
saying that
the American system was good at all. He was only commenting
on the
Canadian system that resulted in long wait times for certain
procedures

In certain rare circumstances, particularly in geographically
isolated areas, or for unique specialty tests, yes.
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And treatment. Even YOU have said Canadians wait for
treatment.

Of course. People wait for treatment in every health care
system. That's why all hospitals have waiting rooms.
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LOL We aren't talking about people waiting in waiting rooms,
we're talking about weeks, months, and years of wait for
treatment. BUT, if you want to discuss waiting room problems in
Canada, there are those problems too.



and tests that at times resulted in people dying before they
could
receive the medical attention that could have served to save
their
lives.

There is no evidence of that.
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Yes, there is.

Post it.
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Already been done, fool. Now, more than once...



He was not saying that once the people actually received the
medical attention, that the medical practices themselves
were
inadequate or non-professional. The 4 links are as follow:

http://www.nupge.ca/news_2000/News%20May/n12my00a.htm
http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-24-04.html
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...oysplight.html

Yes, I saw all of them.

None of them say that Canadians are dying waiting for health
care.
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ROTFLMAO You really are that stupid, aren't you? The very
first first one says otherwise right in the headline of the
article. Are you really so set on being the worlds worst liar
that you continue even when the evidence is in front of you?

That's a shoddy article by a union looking for more money.
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LOL See? that's why I told you to look for yourself, fool.
First, the problem is a right-wing US wanna-be site, now it's a
union being too socialist! You really don't want to see the
truth, do you fool?



Is there a coroner's report that says Mr X. died because he was
waiting?
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Read the sites fool. As you know, patient info is not released.
Plus, the Canadian health care system has been voted the most
secretive, non-responsive group by Canadian journalists.


How can one crappy article by a union looking for money be
considered evidence?
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Why are you relying then on what I posted. Go get the info
yourself. Try any nimber of other sources, universities, union,
Canadian medical journal...


The main objection to one of the links at the time was
regarding the
Frasier Institute, and its supposed backers, as being
anti-Canadian
medical system. Whether this is true or not, I can not
determine.

The Frasier Institute are a bunch of whackos,
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Says the head whacko?

No, that would be Michael Walker.
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No, that's you,fool. You keep proving it with all your lies and
denial.



and not a reliable source of
objective information, but even they aren't saying Canadians
are dying waiting for health care.
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LOL Selective reading there too?

Post the proof using your own superior reading skills.
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Already been done, fool. Now, more than once...





Rick
also offered that there were many other links to support his
claim,
data that came from Canadian universites, labor unions,
think tanks,
that would not supposedly be anti-Canadian. He did not list
any other
specific link that I found.

No, he didn't.
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Because fool, you have already shown that if I list a link,
you have some reason not to believe it. I offered you the
face-saving way out by finding your own information. You
proved instead that you wished to remain willfully ignorant.

Nothing in your link proves that Canadians are dying because
they are waiting in health care lines.
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Yep, there was. But don't rely on my posts fool. Look up the
facts for yourself. But then, you've already proven you are too
afraid to do that.


Regarding your question, unless there is a distinction
between waiting
list, and waiting lines, and irregardless of the credibility
of the
links provided as evidence, I believe that rick did provide
evidence to
support his claim. So my vote is yes, and I believe you KMAN
owe rick a
public apology.

Please provide me with the precise quote from one of his
links where it states that Canadians have in fact died
waiting in line for treatment.
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Read them fool. Then write them and ask. Afterall, they are
YOUR countrymen. I'm sure they'll give you the info. But, as
I have stated before, you are too afraid to find out the
truth.

What kind of an ass would refuse to simply post the evidence if
it existed?
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ROTFLMAO I'm giving you the chance to find it for yourself,
fool. That way you can't claim that my sites are too right-wing.
Oh, wait, too left-wing. Oh, wait, too middle of the road. Oh,
wait, too truthful for your delusions.



You are a liar and a coward.
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Keep telling yourself that fool. maybe someday you'll even
believe it. All you've managed to do is prove that yopu are
afraid of the facts. Otherwise, you'd have refuted the sites I
have posted. Youi haven't, and you can't.





Now I hope this can bring and end to the acrimony, and I
would note
that though I believe rick provided the evidence, that I
understand
better after reading maybe a hundred post by him that his
style can be
abrasive. My only suggestion is that in the future if you
want to avoid
the abrasion, don't engage him in debate. TnT
TnT

I would suggest that you be more careful in evaluating the
question at hand.

If you saw evidence provided by Rick (or anywhere else) that
Canadians have died waiting in line for treatment, please
post it.
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It just was, fool, again. That you wish to ignore it is your
problem!

It's not there.
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Yep, head-in-the-sand. What a loony.