"rick" wrote in message
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"KMAN" wrote in message
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"Tinkerntom

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what this is about.

Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that
Canadians
are dying in waiting lines for health care?

[] Yes
[] No

Ok I'll try to answer you! Last night, I spent several hours going
through the archives of this discussion, reading several hundred post
by Kman, frtwz, Mike D, Wilko, Scott W, and of course our good friend
rick. I do not know whether rick will abide by my arbitration in this
matter though so I am not sure whether I should wait for him to agree.
However, he did say in one of his post even this AM, that he stands by
his record, and that he posted as he claims evidence of Canadians dying
while on wait list for medical procedures and Tests. I am assuming also
that being on a wait list is the same thing as being in a wait line. If
they are different, I did not find any claim by rick that people are
dying in an actual line while waiting, or evidence to support any such
claim.

Right. That's all I am saying.

You should have simply ticked "yes" instead of babbling on, but oh well.

He has not provided any evidence that Canadians are dying waiting in line
(or waiting on a list) for health care.
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Yes, I have.

Post it.

However, on 2/20 at 9:32 Rick presented 4 links as evidence to support
his claim that Canadians were dying while on wait list, and receiving
late, slow, and inadequate medical procedures. That if a Canadian had
the funding, that he could go to the USA and receive prompt medical
attention, and that in Canada, such outsoursing was considered illegal,
and subject to a substantial penalty. Rick was not comparing the
advantages or disadvantages of the two systems, nor even saying that
the American system was good at all. He was only commenting on the
Canadian system that resulted in long wait times for certain procedures

In certain rare circumstances, particularly in geographically isolated
areas, or for unique specialty tests, yes.
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And treatment. Even YOU have said Canadians wait for treatment.

Of course. People wait for treatment in every health care system. That's why
all hospitals have waiting rooms.

and tests that at times resulted in people dying before they could
receive the medical attention that could have served to save their
lives.

There is no evidence of that.
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Yes, there is.

Post it.

He was not saying that once the people actually received the
medical attention, that the medical practices themselves were
inadequate or non-professional. The 4 links are as follow:

http://www.nupge.ca/news_2000/News%20May/n12my00a.htm
http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-24-04.html
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...oysplight.html

Yes, I saw all of them.

None of them say that Canadians are dying waiting for health care.
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ROTFLMAO You really are that stupid, aren't you? The very first first
one says otherwise right in the headline of the article. Are you really so
set on being the worlds worst liar that you continue even when the
evidence is in front of you?

That's a shoddy article by a union looking for more money.

Is there a coroner's report that says Mr X. died because he was waiting?

How can one crappy article by a union looking for money be considered
evidence?

The main objection to one of the links at the time was regarding the
Frasier Institute, and its supposed backers, as being anti-Canadian
medical system. Whether this is true or not, I can not determine.

The Frasier Institute are a bunch of whackos,
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Says the head whacko?

No, that would be Michael Walker.

and not a reliable source of
objective information, but even they aren't saying Canadians are dying
waiting for health care.
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LOL Selective reading there too?

Post the proof using your own superior reading skills.



Rick
also offered that there were many other links to support his claim,
data that came from Canadian universites, labor unions, think tanks,
that would not supposedly be anti-Canadian. He did not list any other
specific link that I found.

No, he didn't.
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Because fool, you have already shown that if I list a link, you have some
reason not to believe it. I offered you the face-saving way out by
finding your own information. You proved instead that you wished to
remain willfully ignorant.

Nothing in your link proves that Canadians are dying because they are
waiting in health care lines.

Regarding your question, unless there is a distinction between waiting
list, and waiting lines, and irregardless of the credibility of the
links provided as evidence, I believe that rick did provide evidence to
support his claim. So my vote is yes, and I believe you KMAN owe rick a
public apology.

Please provide me with the precise quote from one of his links where it
states that Canadians have in fact died waiting in line for treatment.
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Read them fool. Then write them and ask. Afterall, they are YOUR
countrymen. I'm sure they'll give you the info. But, as I have stated
before, you are too afraid to find out the truth.

What kind of an ass would refuse to simply post the evidence if it existed?

You are a liar and a coward.



Now I hope this can bring and end to the acrimony, and I would note
that though I believe rick provided the evidence, that I understand
better after reading maybe a hundred post by him that his style can be
abrasive. My only suggestion is that in the future if you want to avoid
the abrasion, don't engage him in debate. TnT
TnT

I would suggest that you be more careful in evaluating the question at
hand.

If you saw evidence provided by Rick (or anywhere else) that Canadians
have died waiting in line for treatment, please post it.
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It just was, fool, again. That you wish to ignore it is your problem!

It's not there.