KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from
Australia...

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls

Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to
2000

USA 5.87
New Zealand 2.28
Sweden 2.06
Australia 1.87
Canada 1.79
England & Wales 1.50
Netherlands 1.40
Germany 1.19
Denmark 1.00


So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the
muder
rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors?

Hmmm.....

[in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of
people
are
murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical
treatment
lines
GRIN]

frtzw906

So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is
correct in
what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT

Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral
stands has
not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward.
Why
is
that?

I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight,
there
is
nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be
having
a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT

You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue?

FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His
behavior is
rather universal on that note.

On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with
rick,
and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that
time I
caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for
awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you
before. So you should know better!

Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily
disagree
with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my
conversation.
Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has
learned
something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will
just
watch and learn, he's a great teacher.

Of what?

More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message through
very well with all this spitball shooting.


As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to
cut
in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to
get
my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is
really
bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it,
carry
on. Don't let me interfere! TnT

How so?

Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs!

Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health
care,
but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done
so,
when everyone can see that he hasn't.

That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards)
are all
those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get
stepped on."

I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward, and
I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum ready
to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to
discuss.

I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System, and
whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal knowledge
to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with rick
to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see
anything that I can really ruminate on from either side. And yet the
bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for
you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone
tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which
Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that
we preferred the existing system we already have.

Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back
refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when
or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have
not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and
trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I
have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our
previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good
friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you
would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut
(your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon"
armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a
"liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from
doing so here on the net as well.

C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in
rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks
of
logical discussion? Shame on you!

Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the
Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could
be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in
this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between
the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that
I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT