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snippage...

Whatever selfish but harmless reasons there might
be
for
desiring to own an
assault weapon, they can't possibly outweight the
benefits of
not having
them available to those who wish to kill a lot of
people
quickly.
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Where are all these people that wish to kill 'a
lot'(code for
1000s) of people?

"A lot" is NOT code for 1000s of people. It's not
code
for anything.
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Yes, it is. Especially when you keep saying it,
despite
the fact that it isn't so.

How much is a lot of donuts? 1000?

Only a nut like you thinks "a lot" means 1000s!
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LOL Nope, you're the one that keeps talking about a
lot,
and the 1000s of people that are shot in the US.

1) I have talked about "a lot." This does not mean 1000s.
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Youn are the one talking about 1000s...

I'm talking about a lot of things.

But not once have a talked about one person shooting 1000s
of
people.
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Nice strawman fool.

That's not a "strawman."
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Yes, it is.

No, it isn't.

Straw Man is committed when a person simply ignores a person's
actual
position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or
misrepresented version
of that position.
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Which is exactly what you have been doing.

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

You made the claim that my reference to assault weapons being
able to kill
"a lot of people quickly" was "code" for saying that there are
individuals
using "assault weapons to kill 1000s of people."

Thus one could argue that you yourself were making a Straw Man
argument,
since you ignored my actual position and substituted a
distorred,
exaggerated, and mispreprsented version of that position.

But my own response - that I never claimed individuals were
using assault
weapons to kill 100s of people - is totally valid, and in no
way constitutes
a Straw Man argument.
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Yes, it does tha way you have presented you spews...

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

i never said you claimed one person did.
You keep talking about all these mythical crack dealers on
every
corner, buying guns at all these mythical corner gun stores,
and
then mythically killing all these people in the park. You
do
realize how ignorant you are, don't you?

You do realize I posted an example from Detroit that pointed
directly to
this exact situation (unlike you, I am not a liar and a
coward
who makes
claims and doesn't back them up).
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts...

You are a liar and a coward.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

And you do realize that Detroit is not the
only place in the US that has drug dealers that shoot people
with assault
weapons, right?

Right?

2) I have also talked about the FACT that more than 30000
people die from guns in the US each year.
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There you go. See, I knew you'd remember sooner or later.
Now, put you fantasies together and make them all crack
dealers shooting up parks...

You are pathetic.
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Thanks for proving you have nothing, fool.

I have everything I've claimed to have.
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Which is nothing, thanks for the admission, fool...

Read again. I posted information exactly as you requested.

Do the same, unless you want to remain a liar and a coward.
Although I
suspect that's an identity your are comfortable with.
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

Again, fortunatly you are not the arbiter of
what is or is not needed. You really have no clue
about
weapons,
do you, fool?

I know that an assault rifle is designed to kill a
lot
of
people quickly.
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No, you don't. Try learning a little more. Many
assault
weapons calibers are very intermediate cartridges,
designed to wound rather than kill.

Oh, great!
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What, more ignorance on your part? You really don't
know
anything about guns except what your brainwashing has
taught
you, do you?

Hm. Well, if brainwashing = fanaticism, you should hear
yourself. You really sound...well...crazy.
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from the head loony? hanks fool...

What are my loony beliefs?
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That no one is waiting for treatment in canadas health care
system as a start.

Liar. I never said any such thing. Someone is waiting right
now. So is
someone in the United States. It is impossible to have a
health
care system
where no one is ever waiting. I've waited for US health care
myself.

You are claiming that people in Canada are dying in wait
lines
for health
care. You can't prove it because you are wrong. You know you
are wrong, but
you are too much of a coward to admit it.

then add anything else you have spewed about
here all week...

I'm still waiting for you to name just one of my "loony
beliefs." Hint: in
order to identify one of my beliefs, you will need to use
something I've
actually, said, and then make your argument as to why it is
loony.
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anything else you have spewed about here all week...

Name one.

Or are you going to be consistent and be a liar and a coward on
this issue
as well?
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Anything you open your mouth about, like Canadians never waiting
for treatment.

I never said that. Every health care system requires that people wait.

Big lie there fool...

Never said it. Prove that I did.

If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

There are many weapons that have far greater chance of
killing than assualt weapons. Can any weapon kill?
Sure,
even a slingshot, but they don't kill just because
they
"look" mean. You really are a hoot. A laugh a minute.

I'll amend:

I know that an assault rifle is designed to put a lot
of
bullets into a lot of people quickly.
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So can many other weapons.

Good, get rid of those too.
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Fortunately yiou don't get to make that call.

Never said I do.

That's why you'll find the statistics of 'assault
weapon'
use in crime pretty small.
Again, tell the the difference between the operation of
an
assault weapon and others.

I know that an assault rifle and many other weapons are
designed to put a lot of bullets into a lot of people
quickly.
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Well a new tune!! Before it was only assault weapons that
could do this. Tap, tap, tap...

Never said that either.
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yes, it was all you were spewing about.

I never said it.
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Yes, it's what you've been spewing...

Prove it, liar.

Or are you too big of a coward to admit that yet again you are
wrong?
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LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find
out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful
ignorance,
and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims....

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

trying to pretend that
you cared by spewing about a rare occurance by 'assault
weapons'

I care about all deaths.
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No you don't, you've proven that with your head in the sand
routine about wait lines in Canada.

I would care deeply if it were happening. But it isn't.
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Yes, it is liar.

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

the proof that your caring is just ideological delusion is
that
you are spewing not a bit about things that cause far more
death
and suffering in the world. Like health care wait lines....

I am very concerned about death and suffering in the word,
including
problems with health care. For example, in the United States
more than
886,000 deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if
African
Americans had received the same care as whites, according to
an
analysis in
the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health.
That's pretty
sad.
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LOL Thanks for proving yet again your jingoistic chest
thumping.

Sorry, it has nothing to do with me. Go after the American
Journal of Public
Health.

People in Canada die waithing for treatment

Actually, they don't.
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Yes,they do liar. You are the one afraid to open your eyes.

Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

, and all you can
focus on is AK knockoffs in the US.. Oh yeah, tell us again
how
much you really care...

Actually, I care about the 886,000 preventable deaths in the
US, but I guess
you don't, all you want to talk about is AK knockoffs.
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ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! YOU have made them the cornerstone of
your anti-US rhetoric fool. It's all you've been able to froth
about all week on the subject.

You've been the most interested in that than anyone.

Thanks for proving your lies mean
more than reason to you.

What lies? Prove that I have lied.

If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both.

Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in
fact a liar, coward, or both.

Only selfish idiots or people who want to kill a lot of
other
people would be in favour of having such guns.
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Only fools would be in favor of curbing everyone elses
rights...

Rights are curbed all the time. Otherwise there would be no
laws at all. It's a question of balance, and the need for
some
nut like you to have a weapon designed to kill a lot of
people
quickly does not outweight the public good...unless you are
a
nut. Which you are.
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Says the head loony?

No, the head loony says that only fools are in favor of
curbing
rights.
That's you, rick.
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ROTFLMAO ou really are that stupid, aren't you?

Answer the question Rick, or are you going to be a coward on
this issue as
well?
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Where? I have answered your stu[idity fool. Again, you are
hiding from the facts with blind ideology. Tthanks again for
proving your willful ignorance on even more subjects.

You choose to be a coward, as expected.

Are you in favour of the elimination of all laws? Yes or no?

Yes or no, coward.