KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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KMAN wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Weiser says:
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Not, of course, that the WMD issue was of primary
importance in the first place.
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OK, what was the important thing then? What was that "1441"
thing?
After the fact, you Bushies keep saying "it wasn't the WMD! it
wasn't
the WMD! it wasn't the WMD!" But before the war, all we heard
was:
"
it's about the WMD! it's about the WMD! it's about the WMD!"
make up your minds.
frtzw906
You acknowledge "before the war, all we heard was: "
it's about the WMD! it's about the WMD! it's about the WMD!"
Is it possible that you were listening to certain medias that
were
just
quoting each other over and over and not really researching
beyond
the
news wire feed, and ending up with the same story. Not the whole
story,
just the part they wanted you to hear, and which was the part
you
now
acknowledge you heard.
When the decision was made to invade, the media had no reason to
overstate
the WMD argument, because they had no idea that Bush was lying and
no
idea
that no WMD would be found and in fact I can't remember even one
media
feature that questioned whether or not Iraq in fact has WMD. But
if
you care
to read the address to the UN prior to the invasion, it's quite
clearly
stated that it's about WMD.
Thanks KMAN for taking the time from your busy schedule of debating
with rick and Scott, to comment on my post.
The question that I had with Frtzw was regarding what he heard. If
he
limited himself to only certain sources of info, he would have
heard
what he acknowledge he heard. That does not mean that there were
not
other sources of info from which he could have heard additional and
more complete info. I recall hearing many programs speaking of the
human rights violations against Shiite, Kurds, the Iraq Olympic
team,
etc. His sadistic sons and the treatment of women, and murder of
fellow
countrymen. Fly over violation with his radar targeting coalition
airplanes. Terrorist training. Threats to kill our president, and
generally terrorize the US.
That Powell went to the UN and presented a limited case of UN
violations is not a surprise to me. The UN was not concerned about
human rights violations taking place right under the nose of their
inspectors. So as in any court, the arguement is limited to
pertinent
points of law. However that does not mean that their are not other
calls to action that were being made.
If you choose to limit yourself to what you want to hear, then I
can
understand when you say that you only heard certain subjects, by
choice. That is different than saying the other subjects were not
presented at all, just that you were ignorant of them.
Now I know that you are generally a bright person, so I would not
characterize you as ignorant, though we all have our blind spots. I
would just encourage you to get more of the story, which may mean
listening to FOX News. I realize that you may not like what they
say,
but that is part of being informed. If all you do is listen to the
same
tripe all the time, from the network news services, that is part of
being uninformed. TnT
I listened and read EXACTLY what the Bush administration cited as
their
reasons for invading, and it was, to a massive degree, all about WMD,
and
only some brainwashed freak who ONLY watches Fox "News" would fall
for the
sloppy revisionism that has gone on in the days since the WMD
disappeared.
Well I am glad that you excluded me from your rather harsh definition,
in as much as I watch many other programs than Fox. Actually often
watch BBC on PBS, in addition to ABC, NBC, and CBS. I also have well
over 100 internet sites that I check out as far as newspapers from
around the world. Most of them pick up the UP, AP, or Reuters wire
service, so sometimes I find myself reading the same stories
repeatedly, though I am sure even at that I am sure to miss many
interesting articles. That is one reason, I like participating in this
forum for the different perspectives, and especially the supporting
references when offered. That includes yours as well even though we
have had our moments. TnT