"KMAN" wrote in message
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et, rick at
wrote on 2/21/05 11:37 PM:
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been
alleged.
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Which you have failed to refute the Canadian sites that say
otherwise.
What "Canadian sites that say otherwise" you haven't provided
any.
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Yes, I have. And i've told you where to look. That you are
either too stupid to know how, or too afraid to isn't my problem.
It's your head stuck firmly in the sand.
However, you can get excellent care most everywhere and in
the
event of living in a geographically isolated area or some
other
area where there is less equipment and doctors than the
norm,
tests for non-emergencies might result in a long wait.
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That's part of the point, idiot. How do you know if it's an
emergency without the test? You really are that stupid,
aren't
you?
Don't be silly. We aren't talking about someone coming to the
hospital and
not getting any tests done. The type of tests where someone
is
waiting is
where the medical issue is known and the situation is known
to
be non
life-threatening.
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Your ideology is really entrenced, isn't it? There are 'life
threatening' causes that can't be known without some tests.
So,
as long as you're walking and talking, you get to wait until
it
is life threatening, eh?
Unless you are suggesting that every single human being should
be receiving
every single medical test possible every single minute of the
day, your line
of argument here is goofy at best.
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No, that's a nice little strawman there. I suggest that getting
the tests that your dictor wants shouldn't take weeks, months or
years. Why would you support such treatment?
As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than
a
few that
you have never backed up.
This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back
up
your claim.
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Nopde. Try again fool. I've even given you the
hints...
No hinting necessary weasel.
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Of couirse not. You knew you were spouting idiocy when
you
started. You just weren't expecting to be called on your
stupidity.
You haven't called me on anything.
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Yes, your ignorant jingoistic chest-thumping, fool.
More of your brilliance on display.
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No, more of the truth about your constant denial.
Denial of what?
Show me some facts that I have denied. Please quote.
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That wait lists are systematic acroos Canada. Why are you afraid
to look up the data for yourself? Afraid that your jingoism
would take a hit?
How many? What are they coming for? Why?
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Why do all yours allegedly prefer the canadian system?
I've
answered one reason right off the bat. No waits. In a
couple
of cases the treatments needed weren't life threatening,
but
very painful joint problems. They decided that their wait
time, and being dosed with painkillers instead of
treatment
was medically unsound.
They prefer the Canadian system because the standard of
care
is
not dependent upon your income and you don't have to
mortgage
your house to get the treatment that you need.
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More strawmen, marching to the tune of your ideology, eh?
No, that's one of the things that gets mentioned most often.
You asked what
they say, and I told you.
Maybe at least as often they mention how in Canada the doctor
and
institution are there to focus on your care, and in the US it
feels like you
are just a commodity being used to generate as much cash as
possible.
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LOL Such altruistic doctors you have there. What a hoot!
The Canadian medical system enables doctors to care more about
healing than
earning than you would find in a profit-driven system. Not to
say that
doctors here are hurting for cash.
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LOL What a hoot! Doctors don't determine the level of your
care in Canada. that's the point, idiot.
Yes, you might indeed have to wait longer than
you would like to treat something that is painful but not
life-threatening.
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Again, that's the point idiot. You don't know what is and
is
not
life-threatening without some of these teats. And, what
isn't
life-threatening at that very moment may be if you have to
wait 2
years for the dianostic tests.
It's too bad you are so busy engaging in name-calling and
propping up your
ego that you aren't willing to learn something.
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I have. I've learned that you are too jingoistic to step back
and
take a real look at your system. You're too engaged in making
comparisions to others.
I have direct experience with both systems. I prefer the
Canadian system for
practical as well as ethical reasons.
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And, as I've stated, I know others that prefer to come to the
states. Why are you afraid of adressing the real issues?
You obviously know nothing
about this, and you are making a joke of yourself.
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tell that to the CBC, unions and Universities in Canada.
they
ahve the information, if you weren't too afraid to find out
the
truth.
Show us the truth. We are waiting!
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I have. And I've told you where to look for more info. That you
are afraid to look, or are too stupid to know how means that you
are not really interested in a real discussion of the issue.
You'ere decided that your jingoistic chest thumping is more
important. People wait, and people die, but by-golly you feel
good, eh?
There is no one waiting
to have their health problems diagnosed.
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BS
Show us the truth! We are waiting.
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I have, fool. You keep ignoring the truth. You don't like the
truth, it scares you.
People who are waiting (I don't
know anyone myself who is waiting for any type of care,
elective or
otherwise)
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And you're personally intamate with the health needs of ever
Canadian, eh? My, maybe you should run for god.
I've got a pretty good sampling of contacts at my disposal. I
also used to
manage a national network of educators and health care was a
common topic.
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Wowey zowey batman, then your ignorance is willful. That's even
scarier.
have known medical issues that are continually monitored. Just
because someone has to wait for a certain type of scan
doesn't
mean they
aren't still receiving medical care.
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care that might not be the best they could get, of passibly
life
threatening.
The best you could get would be constant testing and monitoring
every minute
of the day. This is definitely not happening, here or anywhere
else.
But getting back to what actually brought me into this
discussion, Canadians
are not dying in line waiting for medical care. And you can't
present any
evidence that they are, because it doesn't exist.
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I've told you where to look. That you are willfully ignorant,
and wish to remain so doesn't make the info go away. Hidinh your
head in the sand just proves how determeined you are to remain
stupid.
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A fool makes an accusation without evidence to support it. If
you are
alleging that Canadians are dying waiting to receive health
care, prove it.
Otherwise, you know exactly what you are.
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LOL Where's you proof fool? refute waht your own media,
unions
and Universties say.
There's nothing to refute. They don't say as you allege.
You haven't even tried. All you've done is
thump your chest about how great your system is. We're # 30,
we're #30!! Wow, what an acheivement!
There's nothing to refute. You haven't presented any evidence
to
substantiate your position, because there isn't any.
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Yes, I have. And have provided you with info on where else to
look. get at it fool, if your really wish to engage in more than
jingoistic chest-thumping.
And there hasn't been one piece
of evidence to support the allegation, nothing but a story
about Newfoundland, and nothing having to do with people
dying
while waiting.
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LOL Because YOU are afraid to research the data. Your
idiocy
would be exposed to yourself that way..
Yawn. More weasel words. Let's face facts, if you could
possible post
information to make you look a bit less stupid, you would do
so. You can't
because it doesn't exist.
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LOL Then you should post it fool. Come on. make me look like
the idiot
You've managed that all on your own. I'm actually starting to
feel sorry for
you. I am realizing that your rude and aggressive behaviour is
all just part
of your weakness.
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Nope, not at all. What i have managed to do is make you look
like the provincial, chest-thumping, I'm better than anyone idiot
that refuses to engage in real discussions. You're afraid to
look at any data that refutes your willful ignorance.
you have already shown yourself to be.
Again, try your own media, unions, and universities. But we
already know you are afraid to bring facts into your argument,
eh?
I didn't make the allegation that Canadians are dying in line
waiting for
medical care. It's obviously up to the person making the
allegation to
present evidence. I'd be happy to refute any such evidence, but
none has
been provided. That is because none exists.
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And it has been presented. Your saying nah nah nah, it isn't
true doesn't make if false. Refute you own media, unions,
universities and government fool. Come on, tell them they are
wrong and prove it.
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Nobody in Canada is dying while waiting, as was alleged.
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Not according to sources in your own country.
You haven't shown us any.
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LOL I've already told you a number of times, try your own
media,
unions and universities.
I have. No such evidence exists.
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No, you haven't looked, because I see the data when I look, and
it claims they are.
That you are too afraid to look, or too
stupid to know how doesn't make the information any less
available.
It does not exist.
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Tell that to your own people then fool.
You seem to be making it up as you go. Come on, provide
more than just your say-so that there are no waiting
lines
for Canadian health-care.
If you mean that somewhere in a doctor's office or
emergency
room someone is waiting, I have to agree.
But no one is dying in a waiting line.
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An assertion that is not backed up by canadian sources.
And
for many, the decision is not to wait until then, but to
go
elsewhere for treatment.
No one is dying in a waiting line as alleged.
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Not according to sources in your own country.
You haven't shown us any.
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Yes, I have. You choose not to accept it because iof your
jingoistic chest thumping.
You have not shown any evidence that anyone in Canada has died
waiting in
line for care.
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I have provided you with the information on where to look. YOU
do not accept what I post, even when it is the truth, so I'm
leaving it to you to find it yourself. I have told you where and
how to begin. YOU are too afradi to try. No surprise there, but
you are being shown for the disengenuous fool that you are.
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It was "pertenent" in that it shows that in a geographically
isolated area
of Canada with a small population the standard of care is a
behind what is
available elsewhere.
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LOL But somehow your own 'one' example proves that the rest
of
the country is fine. You really are stupid enough to believe
that, aren't you?
The allegation is that people in Canada are dying in waiting
lines. You've
provided no evidence whatsoever to that effect.
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Because if I present it fool, you'll claim it's not true. I
showing how desperate you are by having told you how to look, but
but proving that you are too afraid to. Thanks for showing the
world your idiocy.
That's unfortunate, and it is something all Canadians
want improved. But your example does nothing to demonstrate
that people in
Canada are dying waiting for treatment as has been alleged.
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Then it should be easy to disprove those claims by your own
media, unions and universities, shouldn't it?
Unfortunately I can't find any university, union, or media
source that says
"Rick Etter's ridiculous allegations are false." I also haven't
found any
evidence from those sources that proves George W Bush is not in
fact a
cockroach.
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LOL Nice stawman, fool. Thanks for the proof again of your
idiocy.
Seems you have a bizarre notion of 'real
life' examples. I gave you other real life examples as
well.
I fully acknowledged your example.
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That was plural fool.
I've acknowledged all of the information you provided, none of
which does
anything to prove the allegation that people are dying in wait
lines.
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You're afraid to look. Besides, that response was to another of
your ignorant claims that canadaians all prefer to be treated in
canada and they all have wonderful experiences. that was the
implication of your 'one' example of fine medical access. I
replied with others that proved you wrong there too. Your lies
are adding up.
The fact that there is no evidence to
sustantiate the allegation of people dying in waiting lines
should of course been enough for you.
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Not according to sources in your own country.
You haven't provided any. Thus far they are only in your
mind.
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Again, yes I have.
Please quote from one of your sources that says people are
dying in wait
lines and I will be happy to apologize.
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Try for your self. We know that you are afraid to, and I like
how you're squiming like a worm on a hook.
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ROTFLMAO And you as independent as the driven snow. Stop,
you're killing me!! Oh well, at least i can get tested right
away, eh?
I think some testing is definitely in order, and I think you
are right on
this one...pay whatever you need to pay to move to the front of
the line.
Your need for help is urgent.
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Thanks for yet again making light of the plight of many many
canadians fool. Your continued jingoism noted.