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in article t, rick at
wrote on 2/20/05 10:48 PM:

"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article t,
rick at
wrote on 2/20/05 5:17 PM:
snippage...

No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type
of
scan in a
specific geographic area and the waiting is for
non-emergencies.
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LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an
'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't
see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following
what you are being told...

Being told by whom?
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Your ideological mouth pieces. Apparently you can't think for
yourself...

What ideological mouthpieces?

Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs
the
US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater
risk
that being born to a African-American family in the US.
Where
does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the
'poor'
in
the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does?

Where are you getting that information?
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Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada....

As I suspected. More yakety yak by someone who has no idea.
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LOL Thanks for proving that you are ignorant of computer use.

Your statement does not compute.

As far as making ignorant claims, there are more than a few that
you have never backed up.

This is a weasely way of admitting that you can't back up your claim.

tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer
won't
effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS
the
money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the
states.

snip...

Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things
that
other people
can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people.
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Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care
system
for all, and equal for all.

I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a
higher standard of
care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet.
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LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh?

No. I can leave my house right now and drive to the nearest
medical clinic
and get excellent care. They will not ask me how much money I
make.
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Sure, but they will make you wait for the tests to determine what
you mental illness is. That you are trying to deny that there
are long wait lists for many treatments needed across Canada is
your ideology speaking, not reality.

The quality of care varies somewhat particulary (as one might expect) in
sparsely populated regions. But the standard of care across the country is
excellent. I should know, I use it, and so do my friends and relatives. FYI,
I was born in Evanston, Illinois, and I know a fair bit about health care in
both countries, with relatives that live in both. Everyone prefers the
Canadian system. That is not to say that no one has ever complained about
how long they had to wait for an elective procedure, but between the two
systems as a whole, it is no contenst. It has nothing to do with ideology.

As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks
better than the US

And yet, ranks better, by whatever standard you are using.
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LOL Where have I ever claimed the US had no problems? You on
the other hand are trying to defend the indefenseble.

Not at all. So far you have pointed out that certain people looking for a
very specific type of scan in a non-emergency situation in Newfoundland are
having to wait a long time. This is a far cry from the statements about
peopel dying in waiting lines that brought me into this goofy discussion.

and both are in the 30s, from the top of best
care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding
your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does
it?

This means, logically,
at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed
opt
to seek care
elsewhere.
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Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency'
case.

You have no clue.
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Yes, apparently more than you.

There is no evidence of that.

You are basing your ridiculous views on an isolated situation
in
Newfoundland. That's like basing my view of US health care on
some spot in
Alaska.
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Isolated? What a hoot!!! Try some research fool. Start at
the Fraser Institute. Surely you've heard of them. They're in
Canada.

I know all about the Fraser Institute. LOL. Now perhaps I have at least a
partial explanation of where you are getting these crazy ideas. The
secondary name for the Fraser Institue is "I wish George W. Bush was the
Prime Minister of Canada." Asking what the Fraser Institute thinks about
Canadian Health Care is like asking the NRA for objective advice on
handguns. Only worse! ROFL

All it manages to do is promote a
have vs have-not conflict.

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