"KMAN" wrote in message
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rick at
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"KMAN" wrote in message
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et, rick at
wrote on 2/20/05 12:32 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
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in article , Scott
Weiser at
wrote on 2/19/05 3:14 PM:


snippage..


Can you post one verifiable reference to a patient in
Canada
who died
waiting? Good luck finding one. But the way you are
talking,
you should be
able to find hundreds! You really don't know what you are
talking about, why
not just admit that?
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Nice little set-up. You know that hospitals cannot release
patirnt info, like names, especially they won't when the
system
would look bad anyway. So you know that your demand for
real
names probably will be hard to find. Yet, many groups and
angencies, in Canada, claim that these deaths do occur.
http://www.nupge.ca/news_2000/News%20May/n12my00a.htm
http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-24-04.html
http://www.utoronto.ca/hpme/dhr/pdf/Barer-Lewis.pdf

LOL. You think if real people had died in waiting lines the
media would not
get the story?
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So, you don't even believe the people that monitor your health
care system now, eh?



Places like Canada are the ones that are promoting the
differences between the haves and the have-nots.

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http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman...oysplight.html

As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month waits
for
the
high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of
diagnostic imaging
at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the wait
is
"less than
ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated
and
followed by
other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency
scan
gets one.
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LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED emegency
treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of the
list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered more
than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond
treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment.


You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in
isolated or slum
areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their
convenience? Get
real.
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Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their
'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the
medical
systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical facility
in
need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 years
for treatment.

No one is waiting for treatment. It's about a specific type of
scan in a
specific geographic area and the waiting is for
non-emergencies.
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LOL Again, sure. I understand that when he turns into an
'emergency' case he will be right in the door. That you don't
see a problem with that says alot about your blindly following
what you are being told...



Take a look into low birth weight babies born in Canada vs the
US. Being born low weight to a Canadian family is a greater
risk
that being born to a African-American family in the US. Where
does that fit in with your ill-concieved ideas that the 'poor'
in
the US suffer, while no-one in Canada does?

Where are you getting that information?
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Try getting it yourself. You're the one in canada....



tell me a 2 1/2 year wait if the boy does have cancer won't
effect the outcome of his life, and that if the family HAS
the
money, they won't get one privately in Canada or the states.

snip...

Yes, rich people everywhere can find ways to get things that
other people
can't. Canada does not have a ban on rich people.
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Yet you try to pretend that your have a single health care
system
for all, and equal for all.

I've said no such thing. But a poor person will receive a
higher standard of
care in Canada than most anywhere else on the planet.
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LOL Again, once they are an 'emergency', eh?
As to the 'anywhere else on the planet', Canada barely ranks
better than the US, and both are in the 30s, from the top of best
care. Both have serious problems, and jingoistically pounding
your chest about being #30 doesn't really mean anything, does it?


This means, logically,
at the other end of the scale a very rich person may indeed opt
to seek care
elsewhere.
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Again, yes, rather than to wait until they are an 'emergency'
case.



All it manages to do is promote a
have vs have-not conflict.

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