Update on ICOM M-502
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Harry Krause wrote: 
 Follow up to this November post: 
 
 I have an ICOM VHF, model IC-M502, new this past spring, and two 
 weekends ago, I noticed it was not transmitting properly. 
 
No you don't this is just more of your lies. You really mean the 
charter boat you go out on very very occasionally has a radio, so now 
that's clear let's proceed to your next lie. 
 
 I was "rafting up" with a friend in his boat, and while we were 
 negotiating the boat hookup, I tried to stay in touch with the VHF. 
 
More lies!!! you have no friends & certainly none with boats, you need 
to be a paying passenger to get near a bath let alone go boating. 
 
He 
 could not hear anything at all when I transmitted at the one watt 
 setting, but could hear me with some signal breakup at the 25 watt 
 setting. We tried several channels; same results. 
 
Ok so the charter boat skipper was playing with the radio, although it 
seems he had asked the passengers to remain seated because you can't 
even explain what happened!! but please continue. 
 
 
 It's not the antenna or its fitting, as far as we can tell, because we 
 hooked up a spare VHF and it did fine. 
 
Spare VHF?, this does seem odd because you lied the other day you 
"always" carry "your" hand held VHF with you, they have their own aerial 
& inbuilt mic., gee you even lied that you tested the hand held once a 
month just to check it, what a load of BS you are Harry. 
 
 
 The friend believes there may be some problem in the M502's mike. My VHF 
 radio electronics knowledge is minimal. 
 
Your knowledge of most everything is minimal but less than that when it 
comes to boats. So you say this to cover the fact that if it really were 
your radio on your boat you'd know the actual details of this BS story, 
besides read your own boating experience below Harry:-) you not only 
"know" about VHF you'd be well proficient at aerial tuning on the old 
SSB sets. Gee when a habitual liar gets modest you know he's BS'ting. 
 
I am going to send the radio 
 back to ICOM for a look-see and repairs, but I'd like a better 
 indication from the experts here as to what might be the problem. 
 
 Any ideas? 
 
 Thanks! 
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 Just talked to ICOM. The radio is on its way back to me. There were 
 indeed "problems" with the microphone. It was replaced, and apparently 
 while they had the radio, ICOM updated the firmware. No more details, 
 but the paperwork packed in the "to go" box should explain all, or so 
 said the tech on duty. 
 
So you rang your charter bloke to say merry christmas what?? to suck up 
to him yes?? hoping for a window seat next season are you Harry??? & he 
gave you this tit bit. I mean late christmas eve & you "just talked" to 
ICOM. Honestly Harry this lying thing is way out of control you need 
help ma boy, you really do. 
 
K 
 
I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so ..... 
 
 Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) 
 
 
 
  Just to make your day, not only was 
 I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the 
 war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at 
 the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you, 
 John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse 
 
 
  I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another 
writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the 
Wash Post. 
 
 
 I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business 
 booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a 
 production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the 
state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap 
 candidates. 
 
 
 I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer 
for my 
 
  staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health 
 insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 
401k, 
 and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a 
 share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees 
 pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but 
 that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks 
 vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third 
year. In 
 addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on 
 Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days 
 of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering 
 pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. 
 Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of 
 course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are 
 not-for-profit enterprises. 
 How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? 
 
 Paid? Every year?  I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid 
 holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every 
year.  Are 
 they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to 
 bankruptcy. 
 
 Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. 
 
 Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our 
 business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our 
 business always goes up in a major election year. 
 You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is 
 such a total failure. 
 
 
 The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those 
 days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as 
 yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're 
there 
 in case they're needed. 
 
 
 Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. 
 
 The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's 
 salary for Long Term Disability.  Employes have the option of 
purchasing 
 an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%.  The basic 
benefit 
 maximum is $4,000 per month.  With the buy up, the limit is 
increased to 
 $10,000 per month. 
 
 
 
 Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm 
especially 
 interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of 
experience 
 with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed getting 
a Cat 3208 
 TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of 
commercial fishermen 
 I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out. 
 
 
 Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys 
I've been 
 talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially 
the 3208, and 
 in recent years some have moved to Volvos. 
 
 These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat 
similar to what 
 we're doing. 
 
 
 
 No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built. 
 
 
 Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a 
real soft ride, 
 offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower 
 enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the architect 
did try to 
 convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like. 
 More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that 
brings up a 
 mental image for you. 
 
 
 She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam. 
The hull 
 buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines. 
 The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According 
to the hull 
 builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve a 
WOT of 
 about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single 
diesel of about 
 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too. 
 We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big 
headsea at a 
 pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside. 
 Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and 
stimulating 
 experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with a 
custom 
 boat 
 
 It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval architect. He 
 does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I believe he's 
 also done designs for Carolina Classic. 
 
 Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine 
choices for 
 
 the new boat. 
 
 On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement: 
 
 QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine 
gear ratio of 
 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22 
shaft. Too much 
 engine. 
 
 QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained 
cruise of 2100 
 rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money. 
 
 6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1 
gear ratio, 
 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft. 
 
 Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative." 
 
 Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is 
only a little 
 more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I 
want is a 30 
 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also 
figured the boat 
 at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the smart 
thing to do. 
 Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design. 
 
 
 The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel and 
it is a 
 built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It backs 
down 
 beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam 
sea than the 
 semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep vee 
fishing 
 boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I 
believe it 
 is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity. 
Amazing, for a 
 boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No 
chines. Just 
 splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I 
wanted. 
 
 
 
 
 
 Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); 
 
 I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing 
 the new boat 
 industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. 
Everything was 
 sold...every 
 cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near 
 full-retail, too. 
 
 
 He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a 
 syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a 
 solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they 
gave him 
 great rates. 
 
 
 
 As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president 
in my memory, 
 and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), 
Kennedy, 
 Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and 
participated in 
 deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more 
important than who 
 was giving them blow jobs. 
 
 Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except 
Bush, and I 
 worked once for his father. 
 
 
 
 My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would 
be hit by 
 a mild hurricane. No 
 one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. 
 Preferably early in July. 
 
 
 We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold 
clear, a 
 broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida 
 lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners 
 hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary 
assignments 
 they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after 
being 
 romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what 
we paid 
 for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full 
years. So, 
 we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose 
any, either. 
 The proceeds were prudently invested. 
 
  The PWC was won as 
 a prize in a raffle. 
 
 
 
 Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his 
office? 
 Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" 
 Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one 
or two 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These 
were sold 
 as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. 
 Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he 
wanted 
 it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my 
dad's 
 main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of 
 manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In 
those days, 
 workers at these places could fix anything. 
 
 
 Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. 
But he still 
 called bumpers bumpers. 
 -- 
 
 
 
    Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to 
entice him 
 into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat 
 dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the 
 *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal 
county. He 
 also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred 
to them 
 as "jerry-built." 
 
 
 From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a 
 year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high 
percentage of *all* 
 outboards sold in his home state for those years. 
 
 
 This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to 
 right after 
 the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his 
warehouse, I found 
 wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 
 Evinrude 8015 
 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for 
 winning some 
 outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. 
 
 I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the 
shop as head 
 mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still 
 brand-new. I 
 have no idea who might own it now. 
 
 
 
 He also built 
 boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and 
 all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've 
 just been an occasional boat owner. 
 
 
 Besides, I worked off and on in the 
 boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm 
 knee-deep in boat heritage. 
 
 
 Oh, 
 and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it 
wasn't for 
 what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam 
and came 
 back in body bags. 
 
 
  During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings 
 for the 
 Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use 
them on 
 smaller 
 landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole 
Evinrude 
 himself. 
 My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie 
star or 
 singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. 
 
 
 
 Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. 
 Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. 
 Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. 
 Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. 
 Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. 
 Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat 
under your 
 command? I have. 
 
 
 My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in 
winter in 
 a 22' 
 boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the 
fuel. Got a 
 "fireboat" welcome in NYC. 
 
 
 
 
 Here are some: 
 
 Hatteras 43' sportfish 
 Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop 
 Morgan 33 
 O'Day 30 
 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 
 Century Coronado 
 Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. 
 Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering 
 Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes 
 Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers 
with various 
 Evinrudes 
 Lighting class sailboat 
 Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. 
 Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) 
 Alcort Sunfish 
 Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. 
 Guaranteed 60 
 mph. In the late 1950's. 
 Skimmar brand skiff 
 Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) 
 Dyer Dhow 
 Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass 
 Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. 
 Old Town wood and canvas canoe 
 Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe 
 
 
 
 Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. 
Leonard Wood to 
 Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About 
halfway home it 
 started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE 
 electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was 
a large 
 popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught 
fire. I 
 pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my 
 license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA 
is still 
 there. 
 
 Sure was a pretty little car. 
 
 
 Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one 
example of 
 my professional writings on building structure and the effects 
on it of 
 hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any 
of these 
 in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, 
 photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, 
 topical and well-received by their intended audiences. 
 
 
 A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, 
tackle 
 
 and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats 
were not 
 used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the 
liners that 
 also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of 
the hulls. A 
 guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by 
 manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the 
same reasons 
 -liner and then hull fractures. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he 
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it 
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't 
like nor tolerate misogynists for long. 
 
     Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top 
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the 
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's 
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material. 
 
     After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most 
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" 
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, 
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for 
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a 
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-) 
 
 
 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of 
 "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may. 
 
 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am 
entitled to 
 break them in exercise of my license. 
 
 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly 
 referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant. 
 
 4. She's 20 years younger than I am. 
 
 
 
 Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" 
consulting 
 jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a 
 couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the 
 races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I 
 actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract 
 that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was 
 offered a job up here that represented a significant professional 
career 
 move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the 
rest of 
 it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well, 
 really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last 
summer 
 and my bride just returned from a business trip there. 
 
 I swear this is true. 
 
 
 Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and 
 hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina, 
 Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby. 
 
 So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the 
hell did 
 you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of 
 water...?" 
 
 Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you 
don't own 
 a boat? 
 And why are you so crabby? 
 Maybe these two factors are related? 
 
 
 
 One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in 
her car 
 every day, but she doesn't own it. 
 
 I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I 
questioned your 
 wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you 
 turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. 
 
 No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center 
console with, 
 if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in 
 January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got 
out to 
 the Gulf Stream. 
 
 
 Bride and I caught and released: 
 
 1 white marlin 
 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty 
fish. 
 Assorted red snappers 
 1 amberjack 
 2 jack crevalle jacks 
 1 snook 
 Nondescript sharks 
 
 Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state 
 hospital for forensic patients? 
 Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county 
facility for 
 substance abusers? 
 Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed 
 facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately 
 half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol? 
 Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner 
 practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking 
help 
 for substance abuse problems? 
 
 
 Licensed psychotherapist 
 Screening as to character and background for each degree earned 
 On-going screening by faculty while in educational system 
 Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, 
plus, at the same 
 time, supervision by a licensed professional. 
 Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed 
therapist for two years 
 of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure 
 Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed 
 practitioners 
 Four hour written examination on state laws 
 Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice 
 
 My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final 
internship was as a 
 psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric 
hospital where, on a 
 daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average 
soldier. 
 
 My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed 
state 
 mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated 
numerous 
 sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves.  Such 
"treatment" 
 is part of being in the mental health professions. 
 
 
 You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour, 
 until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners 
overcome their 
 feelings of boatable inadequacy. 
 
 
 She is a licensed, practicing 
 psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she 
sees each 
 day. Which can be taken any way one likes. 
 
 
 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha 
know? And much of 
 Freud is passe. 
 
 My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago. 
 
 They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up 
 Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own 
 version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade. 
 
 
 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office. 
 
 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of 
 mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* 
belong to an 
 after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most 
 mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were 
 court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every 
 call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had 
 the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone 
number of 
 every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the 
call 
 tried to block his number. 
 
 Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal 
people, 
 they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are 
 planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is 
 real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and 
perhaps the 
 police. 
 
 In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has 
never 
 received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or 
 court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of 
this 
 newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a 
 number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These 
were 
 mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE 
 (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it. 
 Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works 
closely 
 because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are 
 investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and* 
 authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, 
California and 
 Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been 
 able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of 
 course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. 
Several 
 suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the 
outcome of 
 all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are 
 either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make 
 such calls. 
 
 
 The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious 
calls came in 
 from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to 
trace. The local 
 police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when 
it was 
 discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got 
involved. At 
 least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I 
can tell, he 
 has not posted here again 
 
 
 
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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