On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:20:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:39:52 +0000, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Harry, just what rights have you lost under the Patriot Act. I've asked you this
before, but you apparently missed the question.

I'm not Harry (not by a long way) but I believe I can answer this.

** from http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...lofrights.html **

Bill of Rights



Interesting Stuff. Somebody wanna tell the "prisoners" at Guantanamo Bay?

Lloyd



The righties make the argument that the U.S. Constitution only applies
to U.S. citizens in the USA or, at best, to some foreigners living in
the U.S.

Far too rigid. In the court of world opinion, we are judged by how we
treat everyone and anyone. It's damned difficult to sell what little
remains of our democracy to those in other countries if we don't behave
much differently than their leaders we overthrew.

For many Muslims, we're not behaving much differently than Saddam. We're
mistreating captives, we're shooting civilians and we're profiteering
off of misery. Perceptions are damned important.

Read it for yourself, Harry.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, *except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time
of war or public danger*[emphasis added]; nor shall any person be subject for
the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be
compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private
property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD