"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:57:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
I'm afraid rape and sodomy may be the way Dave maintains control at
home.

You think he's the willing victim?

That's not very nice comments guys! Give the poor fellow a break. He
may
not be an intellectual star but I think he is an OK person.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



I think he's an OK person too, Jim. But, I also know he's at least
partially
influenced by a tradition that promotes rules to live by such as "Spare
the
rod and spoil the child".

Can you tell me (without resorting to personal insults) just why that
practice is not the best course of action?

It's no coincidence that in the last generation or so of "Dr.
Spock-like" liberal upbringing where a child's need to "express
themselves" is paramount, and that maintaining their self esteem at
all costs is more important than what they do to earn it, that we have
had more trouble than ever with youth violence and underachievers.

The people I know who ran roughshod over their children have, in the
vast majority of cases, turned out much more socially adjusted kids,
who respect the rules of society, and have much less neuroses, and
other social "issues". They are also more likely to pursue higher
education and more productive careers. Those kids who were raised with
"hands off" parents, ended up, if not in the criminal justice system,
they are now working in low pay jobs, with little self respect, and
are more likely to vote for a democrat.

Dave

1) Your last paragraph describes only the people you choose to focus on.
Other than that, you have absolutely no information that allows you to
generalize outside of that small sample.

2) In the next to last paragraph, you say "last generation". For the
generation or two before that, you have no way in hell of knowing how many
parents smacked their children around and how many didn't. You simply WANT
to believe in some mythical "good ole days".

3) On a 1 to 10 "offense scale", a kid should have to reach a 9-1/2 before
he/she gets wailed on. If a parent lets loose for anything less than that,
he's a lazy sack of **** who doesn't know how to solve problems in an
assertive way that commands respect.