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				 See you all in the spring.... 
 
			
			 Harry wrote:
 In hunting or fishing, there is no such thing as "humanely" killing your
 catch.
 
 If you were a deer, which would you prefer:
 
 1. Dying of starvation or disease as the population grows out of control
 and
 the land can no longer support the herd. This happens quite often when
 hunting
 is severely curtailed.
 
 2. Ending up as a hood ormament on the front of a speeding car. Also a
 major
 problem in some areas where the heards are too large.
 
 3. A quick shot to the heart.
 
 Nature doesn't provide animals or fish with many humane choices for death.
 Most
 don't die of old age like humans.
 
 
 Barry
 
 
 If I were a deer, I'd prefer NOT to be shot. Period. There is no such
 thing as "humane" hunting or fishing if, in the end, you kill the
 critter. I understand how we humans like to use softer language to make
 our slaughter of the animals we hunt or fish sound better but killing is
 killing is killing.
 
 In most cases, the land can no longer support the critters because we
 have encroached upon the land, or have killed off all the "natural"
 predators. In other words, if there are too many deer in an area, it
 isn't because the deer just copulate all day. It is because we have
 destroyed their habitat and the room they used to have for free roam
 isn't there anymore.
 
 We have deer wandering through our property all the time, and the
 property of our neighbors. We're in a "hunter free" zone, and so far, we
 are not overpopulated with deer. Once or twice a month, a deer and a car
 have an unfortunate encounter out on the county roads, and the deer
 almost always loses. Wish we could establish a "deer crossing" that
 really was.
 
 If you want to hunt "humanely," then use a camera.
 
 
 So Harry, what's your solution to the problem? Should we give the land back? In
 fact, should we just give it back to the Indians and all move back to Western
 Europe. Thant presents a whole new set of problems.
 
 Reality has to fit into your perception of what is right and wrong. I'm not a
 big hunter but I'm a realist. And I don't see the difference btween eating
 venison and eating beef, chicken, pork, or store bought salmon. They all die
 pretty much the same way.
 
 And you being a avid fisherman, I'm surprised to hear that you practice
 strictly "catch and release". What about the poor crabs in those crabcakes that
 you love? What an untimely death to be thrown into a cauldron of boiling water.
 Shame on you.
 
 
 Barry
 
 
 
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