MY politics have nothing to do with anything, this is a boating NG, so
if you & about 3 others just stop actually starting OT threads, then the
rest will go away.

There are over 20 posters who start OT threads in the NG, most of them *start*
more OT threads than I, and I'm surely not in 4th place. If 3 of the 20 posters
cease and desist, the other 17 will just dry up and blow away? Remember my
90-day experiment last spring? I ducked out of the NG entirely for 90 days, and
when I returned the situation was *worse* than when I left. Don't hand me some
crap about being the cause of 1/3 or 1/4 of the OT posts.

Fact is, you don't like me much. No big deal. I don't care a lot for you,
either. One of us doesn't make a habit of seeking out the other to make
unprovoked personal attacks. Which of us do you suppose that would be?

The personal attacks you complain of are on topic:-) you are a spammer,
what about the heater spam the other day??? You see yourself as someone
you are not Chuck, you are a big OT poster, I've made an effort to
comply with the truce instituted after your election, but you & a few
others seem to have used the hiatus as an opportunity to ramp up the OT
threads.

You weren't heard from for *months* before the election. Do an experiment. Go
to Google and check the participation in OT threads since the election. Then
reconsider your statement.

How is a report detailing the process of installing a diesel heater in a boat,
"spam"? Because I mentioned the name of the manufacturer of the product? That's
actually an important part of the story, as the DIY kit is, AFIK, unique to
that company.

While in Google, run a search on Karen Smith and "spam". Go back many, many,
years. Extremely revealing.


Logical question, however: if your bitch is with political posts, why do
you
conjure up weird accusations in on-topic threads?

Again if you feel I'm out of line then defend yourself, I can & will
point to your deceptive spam I can & will point to your OT threads, if
you wish I'll even point to your abuse.

You miss the point, Karen. If I "defend" myself, then this thread ceases to be
about this incident with the Grady White and its comparison to Boston Whaler.
It becomes OT. Ask yourself who chose to take it there? Did I toss in some
unprovoked, snide personal comments, or did you?

If you want to complain about an OT thread, do so within the context of that
thread. Chasing somebody around the NG yelling "OT Spammer!" in threads where
that party is neither posting OT nor doing any "spamming" under even the most
inclusive standards doesn't contribute to the discussion of the subject matter-
the very thing you are (supposedly) so chuffed about that after several months
of NG silence you can no longer control yourself and your present "targets"
here are no different than your previous.

Why would you begin attacking me in a thread before I had even made a
single
statement on the subject?

Why?? I need your permission???

No, Karen. You don't need my permission.
You are free to behave as badly as you choose, no permission needed.
Deliberately trolling for a fight makes the NG more OT, not more on-topic.

Would you prefer that I give up posting on-topic altogether?

Only the off topic stuff I can & have over time learned to live with
your parroting of deceptive marketing spam & have even learned to
tolerate some of your other views (white suburbs indeed that still
takes some topping)

Well in that case, here's a clue for you:
Blasting anybody engaged in a behavior you have "learned to tolerate" (big of
you, thanks), like my on-topic posting does nothing to encourage that tolerable
activity.
Odd that you haven't said "squeak" in any of the OT threads, but choose to deal
with it after months, and months, by blasting my participation in the on-topic
subjects, isn't it?



In the context you were trying to spin it that the boat got rolled over
on the bar,

Sure hope you never make it to jury duty when I'm on trial. :-) I said that
such was among the "possibilities". If you were jury foreman and the
prosecution said, "We have evidence that Gould was somewhere in the same state
when the crime was committed," I'd be doing life without parole. :-)


I must say I get a giggle when you tell us about "English":-) that's funny.

When you're done laughing, perhaps you'll educate this professional writer by
offering a brief explanation of just how "capsize" is synonymous with "sink"?


The boat rolled over as the inevitable "consequence" of taking on water
from a leak (it seems around the transom area but....????), it was not
the "inadvertent turning over of a boat".

If the turning over was deliberate, where's the website author's gripe?

If not towed in promptly that boat would have sunk. Even much larger
boats can linger in an inverted position as part of the sinking process.

Very likely. However, the title of the blackmail site is "My boat sank," not
"There's a high probability my boat would have gone to the bottom if help
hadn't arrived when it did." Sensationalism vs. fact. Does that qualify as
"spam"?

So please paste where you got this from, you have no idea do you???

You must be new. You don't recall the long list of websites in this tradition?
Think of the guy who accepted (for a discount) a transport damaged, underrated
Panda generator and then tried to run it 24/7. Remember the couple on the SF
Delta who had a misplumbed live well in their brand new boat, left a secure
mooring
to set back off across the bay in a boat known to be taking on a large quantity
of water, and then blasted the salesperson for suggesting they bring the boat
back to the dealership and "putting us in danger."?
Nearly all of these sites are economically motivated, hoping to use bad
publicity where logical argument and examination of facts have not produced a
favorable outcome for the consumer. I'll bet you a Washington apple to an
Australian whatever that if Grady White gives the guy a new boat, or the dealer
refunds the purchase price of the boat he bought, the site will disappear in a
heartbeart.

The poster who submitted this to rec.boats has never posted anything here,
AFAIK. He composed his one-sided website, omitted any facts or circumstances
not damaging to the manufacturer or the dealer, and probably posted it
everywhere the internet has any boating content what so ever.

You still don't get it do you, the boat filled with water that may or
may not be down to the manufacturer, the dealer, the boats age, boat's
prior accidents, weather & yes the owner, but the dealer dumping him
when he needed them is typical.

What would you consider an "acceptable" response from the dealer?

Chuck please try to stop a second, all that might be right but the
dealer just leaving him unsupported isn't.

What would you consider an "acceptable" response from the dealer? As I
remember, the creator of the website doesn't really detail what the dealer's
response was, or wasn't, just that he thought he was given the brush off. I
will not believe that he called the dealership and was simply told to go screw
himself, not our problem, etc.

These "I'll get you!" websites more often than not result from a vendor failing
to meet every last expectation, reasonable or not, of a consumer with a
problem.

Neither of us knows all the facts. I speculate there are things that
*could*
have happened, but you applaud the damning website, say it's entirely the
used
boat dealer's fault in any event, that a dealership you're not acquainted
with
is a lousy place to do business, and that anybody else connected with the
marine industry is equally a piece of crap.

Which of us is being more reasonable, would you think?

Me:-)


Well, at least you had the decency not to protest my summary of your position.
I'll hand you that.


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