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in article et, rick etter
at wrote on 12/1/04 10:10 PM:

"Keenan Wellar" wrote in message
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"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 30-Nov-2004, Keenan Wellar
wrote:

in article et, rick
etter
at wrote on 11/30/04 5:26 PM:

Japan invaded mostly on the basis of *US* actions in the Pacific.
Actions
that are taken by agressors, not neutrals.

That's interesting logic. Are you saying that any nation that is
attacked by
another nation was at war with them prior to the attack?

Actually, on this point he's right. The US had embargoed oil and other
trade
with Japan as the latter was at war in China, Korea etc (since '37... and
the
US was a major oil exporter in those days). They also moved the Pacific
Fleet
to Pearl Harbor and upgraded their bases in the Philippines. Japan
wanted to
secure oil supplies in Indonesia and the US had been beating the war drum
about
protecting the Pacific. To the Japanese, it looked like direct threats
and the
embargo was interpreted as a war-like action. Hence the attacks on Pearl
Harbour and Clarke.

Yes, I fully understand and have prior knowledge of these pre-war
circumstances.
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No you don't. You prove that with your ignotrant posts.

I am disputing the notion that when one nation attacks
another nation with force, the nation that has been attacked is thereby
deemed to have already been at war, simply because they were attacked.
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Nice strawman fool, but that wasn't what I stated, nor was it the case.
Again, go back to your own stupid anaology about NZ and Canada. If Canada
had taken no actions that interfered with NZ prior to the invasion

BUT WHO DECIDES WHAT CONSTITUTES INTERFERING

That is the question at hand with your bizarre theory.

Does New Zealand simply announce that Canada is interfering, and thus Canada
is deemed to be at war? What constitutes interference...trade
restrictions...refusing to participate in a summit on sheep...?

Canada and the US intefere with each other in a thousand different
ways...the US interferes with just about every nation on the planet. Does
that mean they are all at war?!? This is totally nonsensical.