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"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 29-Nov-2004, "rick etter" wrote:

Just because it had not been
officially declared does not mean that the US wasn't morally and
legally
already at war with Germany long before.

Yer joking, right? Well it's a pretty poor joke and an insult to
those
who
lost their lives actually engaged in the war. I'm sure Hilter was
quaking
in his boots at the thought that the US was "morally" engaged in the
war.
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Yes, I'm sure he was. Roosevelt declared the US neutral at start of
war.
Want to know how long that lasted? 1 month. 1 month before the arms
embargo parts of the act were repealed. Supplying arms to a
billegerent
is
not a 'neutral' act.

If your point is that Roosevelt had to in effect lure the country into
armed
involvement one baby step at a time, you are correct.
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It still means that in a legal sense the US was at war.

I think most people would say that you are at war when you say so,
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Really? The people that you are helping to kill might have a different
idea of when you are at war, wouldn't you think?

We're talking about at what point in time the US was at war with Germany.

and when
you have people with guns shooting at other people with guns.
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People can die from others actions of war than from being shot. But then,
with your limited thinking I'm sure you wouldn't think that, eh?

We're talking about at what point in time the US was at war with Germany.

There can be
no question that the majority American sentiment was to stay out of the
war.
Roosevelt took actions that brought the US into conflict situations until
sentiments changed to the extent that the desire for war was stronger than
the desire for isolationism.
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Spin it any way you like.

I'm not "spinning" anything.

But morally and in a legal sense, we were at
war. US actions provided that, regardless of how you think the country as a
whole thought.

The US was at war with Germany the day they declared war and entered into
armed conflict.

Japan invaded mostly on the basis of *US* actions in the Pacific. Actions
that are taken by agressors, not neutrals.

That's interesting logic. Are you saying that any nation that is attacked by
another nation was at war with them prior to the attack?