"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...
Hi riverman, I am glad to hear from you, or should I say Myron, since
we're getting to know each other. I know how to use Google also, and
found some interesting post. Seems that you have a history of googling
that even others have heard of your legendary exploits....from
www.chataboutboats.com

"riverman" wrote in message
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What about http://www.portlandrivercompany.com/ ?

--riverman


Jeez, Myron; bragging about yer googling skill aGAIN? (^BD


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty"



I remember seeing the above post, on the other board, but did not make
the connection. Glad to make the connection and to get to know you
better.

I was also interested that you are sensitive to "Messages from God",
but I wonder if you ever checked what the engine light was all about?


Uhh, yeah. It was the sunlight reflecting through the dashboard, as the
story said. I left it uncovered for the humorous reminder, whenever the sun
was just right, of just what happens when you go chasing etherial messages
from nonexistant beings or looking for meanings and guidance from outside
your own experience and better sense.

By the way, the post from oci-one was made here, not on chataboutboats, and
you apparently completely missed the meaning. He and I have known each other
from this board for about 10 years, and have mutual respect for our open
boating abilities and general distain of buttboaters (although he's a much
better whitewater boater than I ever was). Like he and Wilko, who I know
pretty well and have had the pleasure of meeting and paddling with in
Europe, and also many others, I have also been posting here for most of a
decade.



I copied below your original post, to start this thread, so that we
can refocus where this all started.

"I mean it. Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I
haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

--riverman"


It also appears that you have a history of complaining about election
results, and casting them in environmental concerns. Now I am not
saying that you are not trully interested in the environment, or that
you should not be interested and concerned with election results, as
it appears that you are. But, it seems disingenuous to start a thread
like this without making your true motives clear. It appears, you
enjoy getting threads started like this one, and then offering your
superior knowledge of environmental awareness.

Don't know where you get this 'history of complaining about election
results' thing, but I won't deny that I feel quite disenfranchised about
Bush's election (and his appointment the first time around) and have been
exercising my right to free speech by speaking about it. And as far as being
disingenuous (careful about using that word around here, btw. It has a
sick-puppy history) I don't know what strainer you just bumped your head on.
There was nothing veiled or insincere about my motives. I am concerned that
a lot of our wilderness will get opened up for development and timber
harvesting in the next four years, and I said so. Lots of other folks feel
the same way. I'll even take it farther; I'm concerned that a lot of laws
which protect wilderness and wild areas are going to be changed, and that
the impact will continue well beyond the next four years. Gee, sorry if that
message caught you by suprise, but you might be pretty near the only one who
it DID.

That's something that happens when someone is a newbie into a newsgroup: you
aren't going to know the history of the group, the personalities of the
people, or their voices or points of view. RBP has been around for awhile,
and has gone through a lot together. You are welcome and beginning to
becoming a regular here...at least well known...we're fairly open and
accomodating (especially to boaters), but if you come in stomping around
without considering who you are poking at with your stick, you might find
that you are a bit less welcome than you expected. If you have an irritating
message to send, spend a little more time figuring out who is who before you
go in with guns blazing. YOU are the one who decided to start
Liberal-Bashing and dismissing foreigners here....gee whiz when you
discovered that the river running world is full of Liberals, especially ones
with wilderness concerns. And golly whillikers if you discovered that rbp is
NOT an American forum. Sure, there are some lost soul right wing-nuts, but
as a whole they are forgiven for their trespasses because we have a long
history together here with a lot of shared laughs and stories. But some
newbie comes in taunting people.....well all I can say is you may have a
little fence-mending to do before you will reestablish some credibility and
warmth.


But then I probably need to hear it and be educated more. So if my
research doesn't scare you off, I hope that it will lure you "out"
even more. I certainly don't want to scare you off with my gloating,
because I could wish that all could read this thread and understand
what the issues are, and how you think, and why it is important to
continue voting for canidates that are not caught up in the visage of
their own elite image.

I hope you are sincere about needing to be educated more, because the basic
foundation of an electoral government depends on an educated populace. And
that's not elite Liberal intellectualism talking to you, its out of the
Federalist Papers and was a major concern of the Founding Fathers. And
according to a lot of people, it is what has failed in this election. People
*rejected* evidence and went for single, oversimplified representative
issues. Gay rights, abortion, MORALS. And they ignored some huge,
internationally significant and complex issues: the war, trade tariffs,
financial accountability, international relations, political favoritism.
None of these capture the big picture, and if its a complex government in a
complex world we are voting for, then it is more important than ever that
the voters learn about as many sides of the issues as possible. I don't know
what's been happening on American TV (besides reality shows), but I know the
international TVs and international Press has been *all over* lots and lots
of the issues. And the more educated European populace was floored by the
election results, and pretty wholheartedly disillusioned by a nation they
used to admire. And don't just listen to educated intellecual Liberal elites
(ILEs) and brush them off....get some of your own data and throw it on the
fire to see how it smells. Debate with supporting evidence....THAT'S the way
to stop fearing people with facts and opinions. But classifying them as ILEs
and shoving your head deeper in the sand does nothing at best, and makes bad
things worse, at worse.

It does not matter so much to me who you are, and that I am talking to
you. Who do you think you are? Are you some super Guru, that has all
the answers, and I should just be thankful that you let me even on
this thread!

SuperGuru.....heh heh. Yeah, I like that. OK everyone, I'm gonna change my
screen name to SuperGuru. Everyone except Dave Manby has to call me that
from now on. And watch the caps.


This post is getting far too long and tit-for-tatty to have much
readability. If you want to pursue any topics, and if you are truly
interested in research-based discussion, then throw out some things and lets
get to it. But to continue inserting comments in this post is getting pretty
arcane.


--riverman

Oh, and PS: Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.