On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:29:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Look, if you want to take one thing away with you from this discussion
it's this. Yamaha and Suzuki have been dumping their products for the
past two or three years. Mercury and Bombardier are in the process of
initiating a trade complaint about product dumping and I believe that
Mercury has won an important initial legal ruling on the subject. The
reason you are seeing all these Yamaha's are that they are cheaper to
purchase than Merc and the profit margin is slightly higher. It has
nothing to do with customer's wanting Yamahas. Or maybe it might, but
it's not because of anything more than price. That and the factory
gets a healthy cut to pre-rig the boats that way. Even Ranger isn't
immune to this and they are probably one domestic producer who is
Mercury centric (if that makes any sense).
Iam sure the original poster hs bought what he is going to buy by now
and we both do agree that a 17' boat does not belong on any rough body
of water.
I do not want to leave your comments about the outboards just floating
out there because folks read these posts (like me) looking for data
and I have to speak up to correct you.
Final word on this motor subject
Here are some facts that YOU need to take away from this discussion.
1) In my test rides of various Center Console boats, I got to try the
Yamaha,Merc and Honda. and I prefered the quietness and the hole shot
power of the Yamaha.
They both have a 3 year Warranty so they are equal in that department.
2) I am pushing 50 and have been hearing the Evinrude is better than
Mercury and vice versa argument for YEARS. The arguments merely got
longer when Honda and Yamaha snuck in the past few years with a
superior product so there are now 4 to argue about.
Talking about Outboards is just like politics. You like Merc's and I
don't and we can both come up with 'facts' to back up our point of
view but no one ever wins.
3) Dumping and priced less?
Someone has been reading from the proven useless DNC's book of
twisted facts.
Check out these prices for the 2 contenders:
90 HP 4-STROKE YAMAHA $6,999
90 HP 4-STROKE MERCURY $6,999
115 HP 4-STROKE YAMAHA $7,999
115 HP 4-STROKE MERCURY $7,499
150 HP 4-STROKE YAMAHA $10,499
150 HP 4-STROKE MERCURY $10,500
225 HP 4-STROKE YAMAHA $14,999
225 HP 4-STROKE MERCURY $13,999
I hardly call that price dumping -
Heck, the Yamahas cost more!
(If you ignore the $1 difference on the 150)
4) Yamaha is crying foul because they rested on their laurels and let
Honda and Yamaha sneak by them technologically. In the big HP motors
(200) they very recently came up with a real contender but the price
dumping suit is a smoke screen.
5) Finally,in regards to your comment about my getting a bigger motor,
It shows how little you know about the Yamaha F150 (which is only in
it's second year of production so I can forgive you for knowing about
it's design features). It is a DOHC 4 cylinder ,16 valve engine but
with the displacement of their 6 cylinder 2 stroke, That makes for
quite a weight reduction.
The Yamaha 150 got me to 49 MPH at 6000 RPM in a flash (we had to
hang on when I floored it as it packs a punch) and that is PLENTY
fast enough for me. Recall what I said - I researched and water tested
a lot of boats. I am the 30MPH kind of person who believes in big
motors for those few times when you need the torque - like in storms.
Regards,
Joe