"Recobee" wrote
I think not! Its time to face facts. Patriotism and a sense of duty have
gone
out the window. How many of the young men that are now serving in the
NATIONAL
GUARD, etc., are there because of a sense of duty? What percentage of
them
expected they would be fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect their
country? How many women generals know what it means to dig out a bloody
victory? How many women MP's know how to guard prisoners?

I live near a major Guard and Spl Forces training facility. ALL of the
guardsmen I've met have a strong sense of duty. And when it comes to being
mean and hard you obviously don't know many young women. A bike club once
tied a miscreant to a metal bedsprings with a old ford coil hooked you know
where. Anybody could 'push his button' for a quarter. Guess which sex did
all the pushing.


....... I am upset when I see men and women, led by a
women general incapable of properly guarding prisoners. I am upset when I
see
men and women refusing an order because they think it's to dangerous. I
am
upset when I see men and women crying to mommy that their equipment isn't
good
enough.

Then get used to it. A couple kids on our local ROTC shooting team are back
from their second tours as snipers in the Marine Reserves. Both killed
people without qualm as ordered. Both privately told me that they had to
say they didn't like it to calm folks back home. The girl didn't like
packing the heavy 50 cal rifle but loved the effect that blowing a terrorist
apart with it from half a mile away had on his buddies (c:

Are prisoners escaping in droves? No? Then what's this 'incapable' BS. If
you are sniviling about maltreating prisoners I'd remind you that SecDef
Rumsfeld ignored JAG admonishments to encourage the "atrocities" then left
the grunts, male and female, to take the heat when they followed his
"advise". What can we expect with leaders like that? Oh! That's right!!
You voted for more of the same!!! And your sis P-whipped you? Go ahead and
blame the women MPs then.

A kid I talked to recalled his squad busting into a building full of
mujahadeen. The point man thru the door took 3 AK rounds in the chest before
killing his attacker. He walked away, albiet sore, because he had the latest
vest. The rest of the squad did not. I'd do some ****ing and moaning too
were I one of them. I recall a lot of complaints about M-16s jamming in
'nam too. I suppose those guys were sissies too?

AFAIK nobody refused an order because it was dangerous. A fuel delivery
crew did refuse to deliver bad fuel to combat vehicles - not because of
danger to themselves but because the bad fuel would put the combat troops in
*unnessary* danger.

... I know that there are a significant
number of hardass patriotic men that do in fact serve, but not enough of
them.

G. Witless Bush and Don Rummyfeld disagree. "Enough of them" would have
been the 300 - 500,000 General Shinseki said we'd need, not just to topple
Saddam but to *secure the peace*. But G.Witless and Rummy only sent
140,000, thus allowing Al Qaeda agents to follow our troops in and loot
Saddam's weapons stashes for the crap now being used to kill our boys - and
perhaps to bomb your kids' school next month. Its the 3 stooges -LBJ,
Westmoreland and McNamara -all over again! And when the protests begin you
can blame them too.