"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Spin it any way you want. That's not what I said, and any reasonable person
can
plainly see that. A person trolling for an argument might pretend I said I
would "maximize return at any cost", but that's inconsistent with the
facts.
Nothing more to discuss in your first paragraph.

Gould, I am not trolling for an argument, I was trying to get you to
understand the constraints that are put on corporations in a global
marketplace. I spun your management style in the same manner you like to
spin it when you are talking about corporations and big business. You made
decisions that were good for your car dealership. You did not want the
government to come in and tell you who you could hire or who you can fire.
When you talk about big business you always see them as evil, the same way I
"spun" your wise management style into an evil manager. You were not evil,
and you were probably successful and many people benefited from your
decisions. If not, you would have been out of work.

Now many large corporations are willing to take a chance that the cheapest
available labor....(and what's cheaper than moving the entire company
overseas?)....might be able to do the job as well or even better than the
existing work force- but there is no way to *prove* that new workers will
be
more efficient and lower cost per unit output than the existing employees.

Remember when you stated your job as a manager was not to take care of the
unemployed, or those who could not or would not do the job up to your
standards. It was not your job to give people a job, you job was to create
an enviroment where your company and employees could succeed. As your
company grew your employees could benefit. That is the goal of ever
successful corportation and small business. A company can always tell if
they made the correct decision. if your workers are more effiicient and
they have a lower costs per unit than your competitior, and the product
quality is competive or superior, you will sell more product. If you
utilize your capital and manpower in the most effective way, you will become
a stronger better company. You will be selling more widgets, be able to
employ more people, be able to promote more of those people and give the
consumer a better product. If you don't do that, you will lose market
share, lose stock holders equity, workers will lose their job and consumers
will have one less selection in the marketplace. Exactly the same concerns
you described when talking about the constraints on the small businessman.

It depends *why* the students aren't performing well on the standardized
tests.
Did the district reject the last 5 school bonds in a row, so that the
average
class size is now 50 students? How are the students doing compared to
those in
similar classes in the same district?

I mentioned this because I thought you believed in giving teachers tenure
and they should not be fired. Based upon your answer I think we agree,
school districts should be able to evaluate their teachers and fire those
who are not successful in teaching their students. Unfortunately in too
many school districts it is impossible to fire unqualified teachers. We
should bring the same management standards you used to create a successful
company, to creating a successful school system. .