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katysails wrote:
BTW, there won't be any Social Security...we pay heavily for our own health
insurance, and banks are protected by the FDIC....if you are counting on

People have been saying that for 40 years. My mother gets SS, as did
my father and most of their friends. Do they rely on it completely?
No. But, it's an important part of their retirement. They deserve
it. They paid for it.

Social Security to take care of you when you're ancient, you're really in
sad shape...that is the biggest myth the Democrats ever promulgated and FDR
never intended that people should live on SS benefits...they were to be an
assistance...all the money I have put into the SS system has gone to take
care of those that are drawing right now....there won't be the population
necessary to do the same for me when I retire. Public utilities? What are
those? We have a well and a septic field...and there is no public

Don't you know? I guess next time you're in a car accident and have to
go to an emergency room or you have to dial 911 and no one answers,
you'll figure it out. Grand Rapids is not the rest of the country. How
about the homeless? Should they be left to starve or freeze to death?

transportation outside the city limits of Grand Rapids unless you drive to
the Mall to take the bus in...and no commuter trains...so I guess I'm really
not worried about those things..I've never had them so won't miss them.
As far as your abortion diatribe, my opinions do not have anything to do
with government...if the government puts it up for a vote, then as a citizen
I vote and have my say...if it's not to my liking, I have the RIGHT to still
have my say, which you seem to not understand....if a mother's life is in
danger, then there is a necessity for abortion.

But that's the point. The right-wing fanatics are not interested in
the life of the mother. They would ban all abortions for all reasons.

Over the years I have never
met anyone who had an abortion for that reason. I have known women who had
them for monetary reasons...because they didn't want to wait and give the
baby up for adoption...because they wanted to get back at the man and punish
him...because it was a girl baby and not a boy like they wanted....there are
scenarios where an abortion is the lesser of two evils...those incidences
are not in that category...

Just because you haven't doesn't mean they don't exist. You would
saddle a 15 year old with a child she can't take care of and doesn't
want all because of one mistake? She's going to be mature enough to
take care of herself long enough to have a healthy baby? What about
the girl who was raped by her father, uncle or boyfriend, but is
afraid to say anything? Seems rather cruel, but if that's ok with you,
fine. It's not ok with me, and I don't think your or my will should be
imposed on the rest of the people. That's what you don't seem to
understand.

As far as getting out, I'm out every day....I read the medical trade
journals for the long term care industry. What you have to remember is that
San Francisco is not the world...it is a very specialized community that
lives quite differently than the rest of us in the US....

I don't live nor do I work in SF. Neither is GR. So do you.

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